Octopuses are Aliens

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(08-30-2015, 11:39 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You can't rule it out, any real atheist will agree with this.  The point isn't that there is definitely no god, the point is there is no verifiable evidence for the existence of one.  Going a step further, it's a huge leap to say that a divine creator exists to saying you know exactly what that creator wants from us; what kind of sex "he" wants us to have and in what positions, what kind of food we should eat, what kind of clothes we should wear, I could go on but I trust the point is made.

And i would agree that there is no verifiable evidence for the existence of God. I never have, nor would, disagree with this. 

Before answers were found, i would agree that there were a lot of believers that would simply say "God did it", and i can certainly agree with a non-believer that this answer would be annoying and unproductive. No doubt, many still fall back on this, to this day. Going back to my original point (post #87), the claim of ID is based on known quantities of things like the fundamental interactions. 

Two of the most, if not the most, influential thinkers of all time--Einstein and Newton-- both saw the order of the Universe. Newton was a believer in God, Einstein was a self-proclaimed agnostic (with a heavy lean towards Spinoza's Pantheism), but they both saw design or order in everything around us. 

That "order" is what i've attempted to discuss from the time i entered this thread. Though i have a personal belief, i'm preferring to strip it down and ask the question if it's possible that the order of the Universe is the result of a random act or if it was designed by "something".

I know that the field of Science is about the attempt to find the answers to why and how things work the way they do. I also know that unknown quantities, like God, are left out of the answer because...it/He can't be quantified. That leaves the question for laymen to ask if, by the answers given, is it possible that it was designed?