Marvin

[Shake n Blake]

(03-08-2018, 03:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes it is 100% hindsight.

The people who made those claims back then actually said Marvin could never get the Bengals to the playoffs on any consistent basis but then they had to change their story when he did.

It is easy to be correct when you can keep changing your position after something happens.

To be frank, I don't recall a single person making that claim. Maybe 1 person did 10 years ago and now you're applying that to everyone, Nately in particular?

I seriously don't believe that this was ever a "thing". Certainly not to the level that "not winning a playoff game in 20+ years" has been a thing.

(03-08-2018, 05:15 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I guess this is the big difference between me and almost everyone else here.  To me the ultimate goal is to win the Super Bowl.  I would also say that making the Super Bowl would also be a great.  But short of that I don't see a huge difference between making the playoffs and losing in game one and making the playoffs and losing in round two.  

I don't understand how people can think that winning just one playoff game in one year is an amazing accomplishment that defines success, but making the playoffs multiple years is so shitty they would rather lose and not even make the playoffs. that just does not make any sense to me.

To me a team is successful if they make the playoffs, but unless you make the Super Bowl there is no huge dividing line between losing in the first round and losing in the second round.

It's always about context within each season. Or progress.

- If a team has been to the playoffs for 10 straight seasons, winning a few championships, a playoff win will mean little.
- If a "normal" team goes 9-7 and wins a playoff game for the first time in several years, it not only validates that they can "hang with the big boys", it's also is progress towards the ultimate goal (a championship). 
- If a franchise hasn't won a playoff game in 27 years, suddenly a playoff win becomes almost a mythical achievement.

Hopefully this explains it well enough for you.

Also, I've never understood why or how some want to boast about winning regular season games, but then act like playoff games don't matter unless we win a championship. By that logic, why do regular season wins matter? We didn't win a championship, so it's all moot.