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"National Walk-Out Day"
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(03-19-2018, 02:31 PM)GMDino Wrote: Not sure why it is anti-2A to have the actual statistics about gun death and gun violence like we do other deaths.

I believe I covered this with my point about Twain's quote.

Quote:  Heck, maybe it would show guns aren't the boogeymen man some people say they are?

I'm not sure what they would find that would sway the opinion of the people on either side of this issue.  On one side you have people who claim that owning firearms is guaranteed by our founding documents.  On the other you have people who say that you do not have this right.  There is, of course, considerable middle ground, such as to what degree, and with what firearms, the second amendment covers.

There is no denying that private firearms ownership means more people will die from gunfire.  There is equally no denying that allowing cars to exceed 75 MPH means more people will die in automobile crashes.  The only debate is to what extent the freedom to own a firearm, or have a car that can go faster than the speed limit, exceeds the extra lives that will be lost because of it.

As I am a huge proponent of personal responsibility, and our rights as US citizens, I don't think that the ~2,500 people murdered every year who were not criminals killed by other criminals or people killed by the police are sufficient cause for me and other gun owners to lose our civil rights.  In the same vein I don't think hate speakers like Spencer or Farrakhan necessitate my losing my right to free speech.  You want freedom, the cost is less safety. 


I've made this point before, but I'll reiterate.  Law enforcement could end organized, and gang related, crime in under a month if you suspended 4th amendment rights.  I don't hear anyone advocating for this, so having rights over safety does appear to be a priority for many of our citizens.





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"National Walk-Out Day" - SunsetBengal - 03-14-2018, 07:44 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - Belsnickel - 03-14-2018, 07:51 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - SunsetBengal - 03-14-2018, 07:58 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - GMDino - 03-14-2018, 08:22 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - Benton - 03-14-2018, 10:08 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - GMDino - 03-14-2018, 11:19 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - Benton - 03-15-2018, 12:32 AM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - bfine32 - 03-15-2018, 12:34 AM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - GMDino - 03-15-2018, 09:11 AM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - fredtoast - 03-15-2018, 10:35 AM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - bfine32 - 03-15-2018, 12:06 PM
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RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - Dill - 03-15-2018, 12:27 PM
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RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - Dill - 03-15-2018, 08:54 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - GMDino - 03-15-2018, 01:40 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - fredtoast - 03-15-2018, 01:41 PM
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RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - Nately120 - 03-15-2018, 03:24 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - michaelsean - 03-15-2018, 04:09 PM
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RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - Nately120 - 03-15-2018, 01:02 PM
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RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - Belsnickel - 03-15-2018, 12:31 PM
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RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - GMDino - 03-19-2018, 01:18 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - GMDino - 03-19-2018, 02:31 PM
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RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - GMDino - 03-19-2018, 02:58 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - michaelsean - 03-19-2018, 03:00 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - GMDino - 03-19-2018, 03:02 PM
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RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - SunsetBengal - 03-19-2018, 07:28 PM
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RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - SunsetBengal - 03-19-2018, 07:43 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - fredtoast - 03-20-2018, 09:43 AM
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RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - PhilHos - 03-20-2018, 10:42 AM
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RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - michaelsean - 03-20-2018, 01:26 PM
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RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - Dill - 03-20-2018, 07:05 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - Dill - 03-20-2018, 07:28 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - fredtoast - 03-19-2018, 07:26 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - Dill - 03-19-2018, 11:14 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - Dill - 03-20-2018, 01:54 AM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - fredtoast - 03-19-2018, 05:06 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - Dill - 03-19-2018, 05:28 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - Dill - 03-19-2018, 05:38 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - fredtoast - 03-19-2018, 04:55 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - fredtoast - 03-19-2018, 04:37 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - fredtoast - 03-19-2018, 05:43 PM
RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - michaelsean - 03-20-2018, 09:03 AM
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RE: "National Walk-Out Day" - michaelsean - 03-20-2018, 09:04 PM
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