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(03-19-2018, 02:43 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I believe I covered this with my point about Twain's quote.

Do you feel the same about other studies like cancer and lead paint for example?

We don't even HAVE the statistics...and get them due to NRA interference...hard to pass judgement on them.

(03-19-2018, 02:43 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm not sure what they would find that would sway the opinion of the people on either side of this issue.  On one side you have people who claim that owning firearms is guaranteed by our founding documents.  On the other you have people who say that you do not have this right.  There is, of course, considerable middle ground, such as to what degree, and with what firearms, the second amendment covers.

There is no denying that private firearms ownership means more people will die from gunfire.  There is equally no denying that allowing cars to exceed 75 MPH means more people will die in automobile crashes.  The only debate is to what extent the freedom to own a firearm, or have a car that can go faster than the speed limit, exceeds the extra lives that will be lost because of it.

As I am a huge proponent of personal responsibility, and our rights as US citizens, I don't think that the ~2,500 people murdered every year who were not criminals killed by other criminals or people killed by the police are sufficient cause for me and other gun owners to lose our civil rights.  In the same vein I don't think hate speakers like Spencer or Farrakhan necessitate my losing my right to free speech.  You want freedom, the cost is less safety. 

I totally agree that freedom vs safety. Much like all the new regulations to fly...in exchange for safety we have given up some freedom. Or in the spying the US is doing on its own citizens.

I just will never understand why something simple like national registration is so feared by a group. I mean I get the paranoid fear that eventually something bad will happen to them, but it seems silly when we have registration already for so many things.

(03-19-2018, 02:43 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I've made this point before, but I'll reiterate.  Law enforcement could end organized, and gang related, crime in under a month if you suspended 4th amendment rights.  I don't hear anyone advocating for this, so having rights over safety does appear to be a priority for many of our citizens.

Given the abuses already with illegal search and seizure maybe support for that is gonna be hard to gather up. Not sure why that's brought up in a 2A discussion though.