03-19-2018, 03:32 PM
(03-19-2018, 02:58 PM)GMDino Wrote: Do you feel the same about other studies like cancer and lead paint for example?
We don't even HAVE the statistics...and get them due to NRA interference...hard to pass judgement on them.
No, for a very simple reason, no one is trying to give people cancer or put lead in your paint. Well, I'm sure there are corporations who would trade either for a certain profit margin, but there is no one advocating for either from a political standpoint. Let's put it this way, do you agree that the results of such a CDC study would slanted by the party in power at the time of release?
Quote:I totally agree that freedom vs safety. Much like all the new regulations to fly...in exchange for safety we have given up some freedom. Or in the spying the US is doing on its own citizens.
I just will never understand why something simple like national registration is so feared by a group. I mean I get the paranoid fear that eventually something bad will happen to them, but it seems silly when we have registration already for so many things.
I'll pose the same question to you that I did Fred in an earlier thread. Would you be amenable to a law that made collection of DNA for a national database mandatory at birth? The argument for such a registry would be significant. We could identify bodies easily which would make solving murders easier. We could identify a criminal by DNA left at the scene and immediately seek them out for arrest. We could even easily prove paternity, enabling us to catch a rapist that otherwise left no collectible evidence. See no drawbacks to such a database? There are likely millions of US citizens who would disagree with you.
Quote:Given the abuses already with illegal search and seizure maybe support for that is gonna be hard to gather up. Not sure why that's brought up in a 2A discussion though.
Because we've decided that letting a criminal continue to commit crime is more important than giving law enforcement sweeping powers, i.e. people will be victimized and die because of this right. People will be raped, children will be molested. The Framers decided that this is an acceptable trade off for limiting police powers in this country.
(03-19-2018, 03:00 PM)michaelsean Wrote: It's brought up as an example of freedom versus safety where we have opted for freedom.
Precisely.
(03-19-2018, 03:02 PM)GMDino Wrote: But there have been clear, lea gal abuses of the 4A...by the people responsible for upholding the law.
Nothing close to that has happened with the 2A.
Heck, the 4A helps with the 2A as we can't just randomly search houses for guns.
There have been clear legal abuses of the 2nd amendment, which is why we're having this very discussion. Unless you're arguing that the Florida shooter did not abuse his 2A rights when he murdered all those people, which I don't think you're doing.
