There is no proof that Jesus existed

[Devils Advocate]

(07-13-2018, 01:31 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Hence, why I also linked the footnotes. Wiki is only a poor source when the information in the wiki is not sourced. The statement I posted had 3 separate footnotes. That's a good source.

Soooooooooooooooo, a source doesn't count because it says the same thing? Do you not understand how ridiculous that sounds?
"The New York Times just said Obama thinks gay marriage should be legal."
"Well, that's exactly what Obama said last night." 
"Clearly, the New York Times is just echoing Obama and can not be considered an independent source nor can it be considered proof of what Obama says."

Has it not occurred to you that maybe the reason he's supposedly "echoing" the gospels is because the gospels ARE authentic?

What's your proof of the "many people" that claimed to be the Messiah around the time of Jesus?



Doesn't mention Jesus by name, true, but he mentions "Chrisus" who suffered the "extreme penalty" (death) under the hands of Pontius Pilate. There's only one person who claimed to be the Messiah that was put to death under Pilate. Hint: his name is Jesus.

1]The sources from wiki, save one that I could find, all come from a religious background. PHD’s & very smart people & I’m sure they’ve done due diligence, but they are searching for confirmation. One of those sources even has the title;Jesus & His Contemporaries. I may be presumptuous here, because I didn’t even bother to look into that one, but it’s beyond irrefutable that there are no contemporary historians that mention Jesus. I mean, if you insist that I go through each source, I will but I suspect I’ll find more of the same.

2]Citing the Gospels, is not an independent source. I’ll concede(for the sake of argument and time) that historians agree Tacitus is authentic but let’s not conclude that the Gospels are.

3]Tacitus doesn’t mention Jesus or Messiah, only Christos/Christus. Further, in the passage he incorrectly labels Pilate as a Procurator.