11-29-2018, 08:34 PM
(11-29-2018, 03:31 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Honestly, the well was poisoned before then. While I would agree there has been an uptick since Trump's election, the politicization of the process that really began with the Clinton proceedings poisoned that well, already. Nixon's impeachment would have happened because there was a bipartisan consensus on the need to do it. By making impeachment more partisan and thus political with the Clinton situation it made it so that any attempt at impeachment without solid evidence would seem like partisan hackery.
Wait, didn't Clinton lie under oath? Was not the impeachment process started because of that fact and would not that fact be worthy of impeachment?
Quote:And this isn't to lay the blame at the feet of the Republicans. While they had a big hand in it, the blame is shared strongly with the Democrats because their defense of Clinton was to make the argument more partisan than just looking at the issue at hand. Maxine Waters, as they discussed in the podcast I linked, was one of those Democrats to call the Clinton attempt a coup.
A very fair, and IMO true, statement.
Quote:In the end it boils down to my original opinion: no matter what the historical precedent, our political climate requires much more in the way of objective evidence of criminal activity for impeachment. I know I didn't lay that out explicitly in the OP, but that is what I was saying. Were we blessed with a slate of legislators that the people believed were acting in good faith for the country, then it'd be a different story. But that's not our current government.
Most definitely. Paradoxically enough, the more information is freely available it appears that people make more uninformed choices. I suppose that when one had to make a concerted effort to educate themselves they were more likely to acquire an informed opinion. Now people simply look at Facebook and think they've learned everything there is to know. Honestly I was baffled/startled to see how many people get their news from Facebook. I've never done so and wouldn't think to do so.
