The “I” word

[Belsnickel]

(11-29-2018, 07:01 PM)Benton Wrote: If we have to wait until we have honest members of Congress acting in good faith before we can impeach someone for wrong doing, it's unlikely we'll see a president impeached during this century. If that's the bar — and following the actions of the current POTUS — we're condoning future abuses and behavior we haven't (that I know of anyway) seen before in the executive branch.

I'm not saying we have to wait for that to impeachment to happen. What I'm saying is that without that we need impeachment to be based on solid evidence of objective wrong doing. Anything short of that will endanger our democracy.

(11-29-2018, 08:34 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Wait, didn't Clinton lie under oath?  Was not the impeachment process started because of that fact and would not that fact be worthy of impeachment?

The events leading up to that, the way things were handled by both parties, and just everything about it made the situation more of a political process than one of congressional oversight. There is a reason the law regarding the special counsel was changed after that situation. I do think Clinton should have been impeached, but the whole situation was politicized from start to finish which tainted the process.

(11-29-2018, 08:34 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Most definitely.  Paradoxically enough, the more information is freely available it appears that people make more uninformed choices.  I suppose that when one had to make a concerted effort to educate themselves they were more likely to acquire an informed opinion.  Now people simply look at Facebook and think they've learned everything there is to know.  Honestly I was baffled/startled to see how many people get their news from Facebook.  I've never done so and wouldn't think to do so.

I discuss this a lot with people. We have access to more information than ever, but we are very uninformed. Possibly the least informed we've ever been on average. No one is willing to spend the time and effort to look for good information, instead relying on what is handed to them. They don't go to a website and read articles, they only read what is sent to them by email, social media, or some "breaking news" alert. Then they read maybe two paragraphs, missing out on a ton of information.