Brexit Bungle

[Belsnickel]

(12-10-2018, 07:04 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The EU is a failed experiment, better to get out now.  When the whole house of cards collapses dealing with the EU won't be a thing.  Italy, Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, etc. are all actively hostile to the EU as it exists.  France has shown they have a breaking point as well.  You certainly know better than I, but I believe there is considerable anti-EU sentiment in Austria as well.  As a free trade zone, it was a good idea.  As a United States of Europe it's simply Germany running the show and intimidating the smaller nations.

I think a lot of this is rooted on misconceptions about the EU, but that's a different argument for another time.

(12-10-2018, 07:04 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: As for Brexit, it was promised that the results of the referendum would be honored, therefore they need to be.  It's interesting that some of the loudest voices for "democracy" are the same people asking for a second vote.  How is that democracy? My understanding of the concept is not that you hold a vote as many times as it takes to get the results you want.  Quite honestly, a no deal Brexit is the way to go.  The United Stats can ease a lot of the economic pressure.  The only real sticking point would be the ease of travel, which would be petty as hell for the EU to make difficult on the UK.

I don't disagree about how the vote should stand. I don't know if the US can absorb as much as you think. The hit to London as the financial center of Europe will be substantial. As to the pettiness of the ease of travel, it may be, but if the rues of the EU are you have to accept these certain conditions to get freedom of movement, and you don't accept those conditions in the deal, then I don't see how you can expect freedom of movement.