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Brexit Bungle
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(12-12-2018, 11:08 AM)Dill Wrote: Interesting. Looks like two separate consensuses, Whig and Tory, have built themselves around the issue of a Brexit revote.
A two-party forum polity is evolving.  

                  Pro     ............    Con
.............................................................................
                  Hollo   ............    Bels
                  Dino   ............     Bfine
                  Dill      ............    SSF


The pros appear to agree that voters do not have to remain stuck in a bad vote. And changing votes and revoting is not a threat to democracy but an expression of it. Second opportunities are good. Perhaps voters have learned something since the last vote.

The cons appear to agree to some version of once-voters-make-their-beds-they-should-lie-in-them-till-the-next-election.  If they have learned something new over the last two years, well, too late now.  

One issue dividing the parties concerns how to factor in new information and/or changing circumstances after two years, whether this should make a difference, especially if a majority no longer support Brexit.

Another concerns respect for votes already cast by people who don't want to change their votes and don't want their win denied.

Still another concerns what I will call "complications"--as in what if implementing the break turns out to be what neither side wanted.

What you're essentially saying is that if you don't like the results of a vote simply drag your feet on implementing the results until you can claim enough time has passed that a second vote is now needed.  The second vote crowd are literally advocating for the complete subversion of the democratic process.

One of the more repugnant arguments among the second vote crowd is that a large percentage of leave voters will be dead in twenty or so years, so their votes shouldn't count because they won't be around to deal with the consequences.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/after-last-years-brexit-vote-younger-britons-look-to-turn-the-tide/2017/06/09/fb7460ba-4cd5-11e7-987c-42ab5745db2e_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.12609731510d

Quote:“Brexit is the absolute hijacking of a generation by their elders, so it played a big role — but this is a vote against Theresa May above all,” said Marquardt.









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Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 12-10-2018, 01:40 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-10-2018, 02:00 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 12-10-2018, 02:23 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-10-2018, 02:38 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - hollodero - 12-10-2018, 03:41 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 12-10-2018, 07:04 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - hollodero - 12-10-2018, 09:37 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-11-2018, 04:22 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 12-10-2018, 03:53 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-10-2018, 06:35 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 12-10-2018, 06:46 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-10-2018, 06:58 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-10-2018, 07:18 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 12-10-2018, 08:01 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-10-2018, 08:27 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-11-2018, 12:22 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-11-2018, 12:58 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-11-2018, 01:06 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-11-2018, 01:09 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-11-2018, 01:11 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-11-2018, 01:18 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-11-2018, 09:50 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-11-2018, 05:55 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-11-2018, 05:59 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-11-2018, 06:08 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-11-2018, 06:58 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 12-11-2018, 07:11 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-11-2018, 08:17 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 12-11-2018, 09:23 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-12-2018, 01:44 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-12-2018, 02:52 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-11-2018, 07:19 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 12-10-2018, 08:05 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 12-10-2018, 08:12 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - michaelsean - 12-11-2018, 08:23 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 12-11-2018, 06:14 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-11-2018, 06:52 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 12-11-2018, 08:06 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 12-11-2018, 08:09 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 12-11-2018, 08:08 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-11-2018, 08:26 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 12-11-2018, 08:33 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-11-2018, 08:51 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - hollodero - 12-11-2018, 08:53 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-11-2018, 09:07 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - hollodero - 12-11-2018, 09:17 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-11-2018, 09:37 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - hollodero - 12-11-2018, 09:44 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-11-2018, 10:40 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-11-2018, 08:54 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 12-11-2018, 08:59 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - hollodero - 12-11-2018, 09:07 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 12-11-2018, 09:15 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-11-2018, 09:27 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 12-11-2018, 09:28 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-11-2018, 09:34 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-12-2018, 11:08 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 12-12-2018, 12:32 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-12-2018, 05:48 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-12-2018, 02:01 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-12-2018, 03:00 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-12-2018, 03:40 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-12-2018, 03:59 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-12-2018, 04:46 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-12-2018, 04:55 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-12-2018, 08:29 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-13-2018, 11:11 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-13-2018, 11:23 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-13-2018, 11:52 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-13-2018, 04:48 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 12-13-2018, 12:29 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-13-2018, 12:34 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 12-13-2018, 12:37 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-12-2018, 05:52 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-12-2018, 08:35 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Nebuchadnezzar - 12-12-2018, 04:20 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-12-2018, 04:25 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 12-12-2018, 10:32 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-12-2018, 11:22 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-13-2018, 01:05 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-13-2018, 09:54 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-13-2018, 10:51 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Nebuchadnezzar - 12-13-2018, 12:31 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-13-2018, 02:06 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - hollodero - 12-13-2018, 06:11 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-13-2018, 05:14 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 12-13-2018, 10:05 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-13-2018, 06:13 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 12-13-2018, 06:17 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-14-2018, 12:04 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 12-14-2018, 03:18 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-14-2018, 05:41 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 12-14-2018, 08:47 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-14-2018, 10:35 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 12-14-2018, 11:10 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-14-2018, 11:40 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - michaelsean - 12-17-2018, 09:53 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-17-2018, 10:41 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 03-08-2019, 01:05 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 03-12-2019, 10:24 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 03-12-2019, 01:50 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 10-29-2019, 08:42 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 10-29-2019, 09:15 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 10-29-2019, 09:43 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Belsnickel - 10-30-2019, 08:26 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 10-30-2019, 09:10 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Arturo Bandini - 10-30-2019, 04:39 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - GMDino - 12-03-2019, 12:06 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-13-2019, 12:09 AM
RE: Brexit Bungle - Dill - 12-13-2019, 06:01 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - bfine32 - 12-13-2019, 08:19 PM
RE: Brexit Bungle - SunsetBengal - 12-13-2019, 05:59 PM

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