Brexit Bungle

[Belsnickel]

(12-12-2018, 11:22 PM)GMDino Wrote: You both hit on what I have been saying:  They voted in people to handle it...and they have not.  What if new people are voted in because they run to reverse it?

I'm not saying (and never once said in this thread) that it should be a national referendum again just because it hasn't been done yet, but rather if enough people change their minds and put in people to stop it or change it...is that not democracy?

Here is what I think the next referendum should be: on 29 March, if we have not reached an agreement to terms with the EU, do we extend the date by two years or sever at that point?

I think that is the most fair way to put the question at this point. It means that they are still leaving, but it allows for more time for negotiation to help limit damage to the UK economy.

(12-13-2018, 06:11 AM)hollodero Wrote: Yep. They want to leave, but keep all the good EU stuff regardless. It's not petty to tell them that's not how it works. Why should they have free access to our markets (also, financial markets) without contributing and without returning the courtesy? Why would the EU let their citizens settle freely all over Europe when they won't let other Europeans settle in their country? Etc. etc.

They want a one-way street, they wanted it while in the EU and ironically often even got it so they would stay. Now that they leave regardless, I'd rather not keep it that way. That's not petty, that's just the EU not being a charitable organization for first-world outsiders.

This is my view, as well. EU membership comes with perks and responsibilities. For a long time, the EU allowed for the UK to get all the perks without taking on as many responsibilities as other full members. To me, if I were a citizen or an official in the EU, I'd be taking the same approach the EU has, here. The UK has received far more benefits than costs with regards to their EU relationship and they still want more. If they want to cut ties, then so be it, but why should the EU continue to give them benefits they have gotten for so long?

But this isn't how many people in the UK see things, or how most in the US understand the relationship.