Immigrants as scapegoats

[Mike M (the other one)]

(01-03-2019, 11:59 PM)Dill Wrote: ??? Not sure what you mean by "control".  The US, before Trump, had more diplomatic power than any country in the world.  Obama managed to get China, russia, and Iran to sign a nuclear deal along with Germany, France and Great Britain. No other country could engineer a deal like that, precisely because of how the US has behaved since WWII, building and upholding alliances. When the US throws its economic weight against Russia, it brings along the 17 trillion dollar EU economy.  That is only possible because something--a great deal--hasn't "backfired." Shouldn't we be facing those "facts"?

The major US foreign policy failures result from bad judgment, like the Iraq invasion or the Vietnam war--from politicians ignoring foreign policy experts and diplomacy.  Of course people who don't believe in nation building "have no plan"--with disastrous results. 

The US was "finding a way through trade to boost the economies of people that are making progress" etc. until Trump's America first project.

This brings me back to my primary question--What is your view of universal human rights? Should they be displaced by something like National rights?  Wh

Yes we do have Diplomatic Power and still do, I don't see how that's actually changed just cause Trump's in office. If anything he has definitely flexed that muscle against China.

So you agree if the end results is going to be the same as before we started, just different players, then we shouldn't be sending our troops in, and instead we should be pimping our Allies and shafting the perps via sanctions? Cause I don't object to that, nor do I think you will actually find many objections to that as well.

Whoa, When I say help boost other countries economies, that doesn't mean they get to fleece us. Needs to be fair and balanced.

For clarification, are you referring to the UN Universal rights?
If so, then yes, why wouldn't I believe in that?
What I don't believe in is being the World enforcer of those rights against countries that violate their citizens rights.
No country is perfect and we don't live in a Utopian world, we violate some of those rights upon occasion as well. Not only that, each country does not always place the same value for each of those 30 rights.