03-01-2019, 10:43 AM
(03-01-2019, 10:18 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'd like to point something out that is ignored in this thread, and others on this subject. Business as usual with North Korea has brought us, finally, to a nuclear armed regime headed by a petty dictatorship and the closest thing to 1984 the world has ever seen outside the book. Continued business as usual would not produce different results as the past 60 years should have adequately demonstrated.
The attempt to engage North Korea is actually one of the things Trump has done that I approve of. Has he done it exactly the way I would have preferred, no, but he has attempted a different course than the previous, ineffectual one. Will it work is the question. Well, it hasn't produced much of substance thus far, but it has started an actual dialogue. What amazes me is that some of us here are upset that nothing of substance has been achieved in two years while ignoring the fact that the previous 60 were an abject failure in this regard. Did anyone really think that two meetings in and Kim would instantly give up nuclear weapons? Did anyone really think that North Korea would give up their stranglehold on their hatred for the US bombing campaign during the Korean war? This is a process and we are in the beginning stages of it.
I get the nebulous concerns of some, I also find them to be abstract, and thus difficult to quantify or even prove. I get that some of you think Trump can't find his ass with both hands and a map. What I don't get is the labeling of this effort as an abject failure when it's still embryonic. This is a marathon and not a sprint. Some of you sound like the guy who turns the TV off after the first two offensive drives go three and out, thinking "with as bad as they look there's no way we're winning this game".
If Trump had come into office saying his plan was to attempt diplomacy with NK then I would have given him more credit. But he started off hurling insults like a middle school playground bully. Then he did a complete 180 to the point where he is now sucking up to Kim and defending him against accusactions regarding a US citizen that was tortured to death while in his custody.
So while I agree that the prior Presidents have not had much luck in containing Kim at least they had a consistent position. All Trump has shown the world is that they can't trust a thing our President says because he has no plan and changes his mind more often than a teenage girl shopping for shoes.
