Cohen hearing

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(03-05-2019, 03:59 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Exactly, which is why proving, actually proving, intent in this case is going to be near impossible without concrete proof.

We will see.

(03-05-2019, 03:59 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Your expressing a rather nebulous concept here.  The number of people who believe it is not important on its own. 

To that to any church or leader.

(03-05-2019, 03:59 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: To an extent, sure.  However, even those "few" Dems making the case for impeaching almost immediately upon his election paint their party as being on a partisan witch hunt to rid us of a lawfully elected POTUS because they don't like him.  You're more concerned with what people believe and the number of people that believe it than I am, consequently it must concern you that these actions have cast the Dem effort in an insanely negative light for millions of people.

Because people who believe things in large groups tend to make a lot of noise. And sometimes they do things like get people elected. ("Lock her up" and all that.)

So if enough people believe there is enough evidence (circumstantial or not) we run the real risk of consequences for Trump's actions.

(03-05-2019, 03:59 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I don't think there's any maybe about that.  This will only fuel the perception of many that this is more about a vindictive effort to nail Trump than it is about finding any truth.  But, again, you're more concerned with what people believe, and how many believe it, than I am.

Well DJT already portrays any and all investigations into him as partisan. He still rails about the 13 angry democrats that Mueller uses, for example.

And while I accept that that is part of the game of politics, smarter people should realize that these aren't investigations out of thin air. Some may think there is thin evidence to encourage them but have we not seen this before?

(03-05-2019, 03:59 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: At all times?  I doubt that.  Also, if I recall Trump has taken issue with several of Rudy's statements in the near past.

Indeed. Usually when they are more incriminating and not simply criticizing the Democrats and the "haters and losers". But again Trump has an "evolving" story on the payments from "never happened" to "not a crime".
 

(03-05-2019, 03:59 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It's not clear cut at all, I agree, which is why it's not likely to ever go anywhere.  The fact that we can debate it as much as we have with no clear result is proof that there is not a provable case here.  If further, concrete, evidence comes to light that changes things one way or another than this could, and should, be revisited.  It's going to have to be rather definitive proof for this to go anywhere though.

I guess we will see.