The Mueller Report thread

[hollodero]

(04-19-2019, 02:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Oh I didn't mean nothing in the literal sense; I concede it has a lot of words in it. The purpose of the report was not to determine how Barr Acts as AG;

Of course it wasn't. Still Barr revealed behaviour I would deem highly irritating and questionable. The question of initial purpose of the report doesn't factor into that, and what does that have to do with it? It feels odd to even having to say that.

(04-19-2019, 02:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: it was to determine if their was Russian collusion/influence/medaling in the 2016 election.

Sure, that and whether the known and unknown, conspicuously frequent contacts of Team Trump members with Russians - from embassadors to sanctioned bankers to oligarchs - amounts to a conspiracy that can be proven beyond reasonable doubt. It did not.
And the report delved into all that. Even if one disregards everything regarding Trump, the report delivers on that first core question and I'm honestly curious why you would dismiss or belittle that so easily.

(04-19-2019, 02:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Until I am talking about President Pence I'm going to consider it to be nothing of merit.

I fail to see the logic behind that. First, impeachment might still be an issue. Second, as a citizen you're called upon to make an informed decision at the voting booth. Third, the aim and purpose of the investigation, as you stated yourself, never was "impeach Trump". So why would you deny the report any merit if it doesn't lead to that outcome? That makes no sense to me at all.

(04-19-2019, 02:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: One's bias will determine the damnation and I doubt 1 person that was already anti-trump will be swayed same as anyone pro-Trump.

Maybe you're right on that, I don't know, but I consider it a bit lazy to dismiss everything in the report because of that. Also I consider it a bit sad. The report paints a damning picture of Trump and his people, some of which face serious legal trouble. Your stance of "either it leads to president Pence or it was a worthless exercise", again, seems intellectually lazy and to me looks akin to deliberately covering your ears and eyes and going lalala.

(04-19-2019, 02:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I've asked for one example of obstruction listed in the report and all I get is "read the report". I have 0 inclination to read a document that I felt was not needed to be made public in the first place. have unbiased, qualified folks read and let them report.

Well, if you have zero inclination to inform yourself then it's not fair to ask for examples. I cannot prove to you he obstructed justice and can't make up your mind. But the stuff is out there to read. But sure, the cornerstones seem to be his repeatedly asking Comey to let Flynn go, his firing of Comey when he wouldn't do stuff like that and wouldn't pledge protection and loyalty, his attempts to fire Mueller to protect himself and his presidency and how he tried to pressure Cohen, Manafort and Flynn to not give away damning information about him.

(04-19-2019, 02:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Folks minds are set.

What about yours?