The Mueller Report thread

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(04-22-2019, 05:59 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So be it. Like I said, it may need to get worse before it gets better.


We're of the same mind. When I say "do it or resign" there is an implied step of "tell them no and then if they push harder..." I understand what you are saying, but it is still not the job of an unelected bureaucrat to check the elected official. They can advise, they can suggest, but if they are given an order it should be carried out or they should not be in that role if they can't. They should be whistleblowing to Congress the whole way out the door, but it's Congress' job to provide that oversight.

And see, here is where I strongly disagree. If it was just an opinion or legal policy that they were checking, then you are 100% correct that it's not their job to check that. If it is an illegal order, though, it is their DUTY to not do it. Just like it is everyone's duty to not follow illegal orders. If a police officer tells you you to steal something, it's your duty to not comply. If an officer tells you to shoot an unarmed civilian overseas, it is your duty to not comply. As long as you are doing your job, you don't and shouldn't leave it just because you refuse to break the law. That would be quitting your job because you are good at it.

Your choice to not break the law might get you fired by the law breaker, but you don't quit. That's the same thing as standing by and letting it happen while you watch because it is unlikely that the next person hired will have the moral compass and determination to point out that the order was illegal.

You can both keep your job AND refuse to break the law. (Assuming that the person doesn't fire you.) The person might not even necessarily know their order was illegal.

Otherwise with your path, every single person of integrity in government would be quitting after a single refusal to break the law. How in the world does that provide any kind of sustainable integrity in the government?


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Say you're the CIA Director. You have been in office for 2 Presidencies, and serving in lower capacities for another 4. President #2 asks you to drone strike a bus full of US citizen orphans because the driver is a known terrorist. You say you can't do that, because it's illegal and morally wrong. Why in the world should you just up and quit your job? You have been around long before the President, and you'll be around long after the President. Why quit your job because you have integrity? Isn't that EXACTLY what we need?