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Do you believe; and why?
(05-14-2019, 03:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This makes no sense to me.

God orders you to worship him.  If you don't worship him he sends you to hell.  And you think that makes him good?

I think if he was good he would not order you to worship him in the first place.  And even if he did want you to worship him it would not be under the threat of eternal damnation.  There is no need for "salvation" if there is no threat of damnation in the first place.

God sends people to hell who are willfully disobedient. The fact that God created eternal damnation doesn't make him bad, at least not to me because the eternal damnation is not what he desires. He created an equally better counter part to it which he wants us to go to. The fact that people choose eternal damnation is on them. 

What makes God good to me isn't what he created or allows to happen to us, but what it is he actually desires for us.





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Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 02:42 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 03:01 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 03:23 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 03:35 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 03:49 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CJD - 05-08-2019, 03:59 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 04:19 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 04:24 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 04:32 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 05:05 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 05:41 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 07:17 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 09:22 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - michaelsean - 05-08-2019, 10:10 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-09-2019, 12:34 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-10-2019, 06:47 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-13-2019, 12:32 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-13-2019, 09:35 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-14-2019, 04:16 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-14-2019, 10:38 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-08-2019, 08:10 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 08:14 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CJD - 05-08-2019, 03:09 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 03:31 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CJD - 05-08-2019, 03:32 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - hollodero - 05-08-2019, 03:36 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CJD - 05-08-2019, 03:47 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-08-2019, 04:13 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - hollodero - 05-08-2019, 05:05 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-08-2019, 05:24 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - hollodero - 05-09-2019, 01:30 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-09-2019, 03:43 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - hollodero - 05-09-2019, 03:51 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 03:36 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CJD - 05-08-2019, 03:42 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CKwi88 - 05-08-2019, 03:58 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 04:03 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CKwi88 - 05-08-2019, 04:46 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 04:53 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CKwi88 - 05-08-2019, 05:32 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-08-2019, 04:02 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-08-2019, 06:07 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 07:27 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-08-2019, 07:44 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 07:57 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-08-2019, 08:15 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-08-2019, 08:17 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 08:57 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-08-2019, 09:48 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 10:22 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-08-2019, 10:51 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - hollodero - 05-09-2019, 06:43 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-13-2019, 12:40 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 12:45 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-13-2019, 12:58 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 01:13 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-13-2019, 01:19 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 01:21 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-13-2019, 01:38 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 01:42 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 01:58 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 06:31 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 11:56 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-14-2019, 01:09 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-14-2019, 11:59 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 01:17 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 01:39 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-14-2019, 03:17 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-16-2019, 10:01 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-16-2019, 12:05 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-16-2019, 05:04 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-15-2019, 06:10 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-15-2019, 07:32 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-14-2019, 02:32 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-14-2019, 03:32 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-14-2019, 04:18 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-14-2019, 04:36 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Bengalzona - 05-08-2019, 06:13 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 09:34 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Bengalzona - 05-08-2019, 09:35 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 09:40 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-08-2019, 09:43 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 09:58 PM
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RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 10:47 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Benton - 05-08-2019, 11:03 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Bengalzona - 05-08-2019, 10:06 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-08-2019, 09:42 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 09:46 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-09-2019, 03:09 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-09-2019, 04:14 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Bengalzona - 05-08-2019, 10:10 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-09-2019, 12:23 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 08:55 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - michaelsean - 05-08-2019, 09:18 PM
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RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-09-2019, 12:28 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Nately120 - 05-09-2019, 09:55 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - michaelsean - 05-09-2019, 10:15 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - hollodero - 05-09-2019, 10:38 AM
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RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-13-2019, 09:41 PM
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RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-14-2019, 05:28 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-14-2019, 07:03 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-14-2019, 08:17 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-14-2019, 08:49 PM
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