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Do you believe; and why?
(05-14-2019, 03:39 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If God was good he would not demand that we worship him or face eternal damnation.

If he was good he would ask us to worship him, but he would not punish us with eternal torment if we don't.

If I wanted a woman to tell me she loved me I would ask her to.  If I had to point a gun at her face to make her do it I would not really feel that good about her saying she loved me.  The fact that I give her the choice to say she loves me or get shot in the face would not make me a good person.

As I told the OP when he asked the question: You cannot assign a finite term of "good" to an infinite being. I will say "he" appears to be vain in our finite understanding and he definately demands your obedience.   

As to eternal damnation for not believing. I believe (through readings) the only sin that will cause you damnation is mocking God and actively trying to lead others away. I think all others will simply return to dust. 
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Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 02:42 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 03:01 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 03:23 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 03:35 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 03:49 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CJD - 05-08-2019, 03:59 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 04:19 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 04:24 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 04:32 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 05:05 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 05:41 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 07:17 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 09:22 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - michaelsean - 05-08-2019, 10:10 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-09-2019, 12:34 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-10-2019, 06:47 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-13-2019, 12:32 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-13-2019, 09:35 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-14-2019, 04:16 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-14-2019, 10:38 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-08-2019, 08:10 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 08:14 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CJD - 05-08-2019, 03:09 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 03:31 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CJD - 05-08-2019, 03:32 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - hollodero - 05-08-2019, 03:36 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CJD - 05-08-2019, 03:47 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-08-2019, 04:13 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - hollodero - 05-08-2019, 05:05 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-08-2019, 05:24 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - hollodero - 05-09-2019, 01:30 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-09-2019, 03:43 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - hollodero - 05-09-2019, 03:51 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 03:36 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CJD - 05-08-2019, 03:42 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CKwi88 - 05-08-2019, 03:58 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 04:03 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CKwi88 - 05-08-2019, 04:46 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 04:53 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - CKwi88 - 05-08-2019, 05:32 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-08-2019, 04:02 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-08-2019, 06:07 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 07:27 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-08-2019, 07:44 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 07:57 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-08-2019, 08:15 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-08-2019, 08:17 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 08:57 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-08-2019, 09:48 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 10:22 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-08-2019, 10:51 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - hollodero - 05-09-2019, 06:43 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-13-2019, 12:40 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 12:45 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-13-2019, 12:58 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 01:13 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-13-2019, 01:19 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 01:21 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-13-2019, 01:38 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 01:42 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 01:58 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 06:31 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 11:56 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-14-2019, 01:09 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-14-2019, 11:59 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 01:17 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 01:39 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-14-2019, 03:17 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-16-2019, 10:01 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-16-2019, 12:05 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-16-2019, 05:04 PM
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RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-15-2019, 07:32 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-14-2019, 02:32 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-14-2019, 03:32 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-14-2019, 04:18 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-14-2019, 04:36 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Bengalzona - 05-08-2019, 06:13 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 09:34 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Bengalzona - 05-08-2019, 09:35 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 09:40 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-08-2019, 09:43 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 09:58 PM
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RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 10:47 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Benton - 05-08-2019, 11:03 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Bengalzona - 05-08-2019, 10:06 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-08-2019, 09:42 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 09:46 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-09-2019, 03:09 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Dill - 05-09-2019, 04:14 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Bengalzona - 05-08-2019, 10:10 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-09-2019, 12:23 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-08-2019, 08:55 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - michaelsean - 05-08-2019, 09:18 PM
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RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-09-2019, 12:28 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Nately120 - 05-09-2019, 09:55 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - michaelsean - 05-09-2019, 10:15 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - hollodero - 05-09-2019, 10:38 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - michaelsean - 05-09-2019, 10:50 AM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - samhain - 05-09-2019, 12:54 AM
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RE: Do you believe; and why? - jason - 05-09-2019, 01:46 PM
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RE: Do you believe; and why? - GMDino - 05-13-2019, 04:01 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-13-2019, 09:41 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-13-2019, 11:03 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-14-2019, 05:28 PM
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RE: Do you believe; and why? - bfine32 - 05-14-2019, 08:17 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-14-2019, 08:49 PM
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RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-14-2019, 03:14 PM
RE: Do you believe; and why? - fredtoast - 05-14-2019, 03:39 PM
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