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Do you believe; and why?
(05-14-2019, 05:50 PM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: What makes them not true? Because you don't believe it and because others don't believe it?

I have no idea if they're true or not. Yet, many of those who "believe' do think they're true. I'm asking by what means they reached that conclusion. What knowledge do they possess -- other than faith -- to believe that any of the stories are anything more than allegorical.

(05-14-2019, 05:50 PM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: I know you don't believe because you call God a character so your question will never be answered to you satisfaction.

While I've never been presented with any evidence that would cause be to believe the Bible is anything more than a collection of stories, I'm certainly not closed off to said evidence if you would care to present some.

(05-14-2019, 05:50 PM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: And if you truly are looking for answers, instead of discussion on a football message board, I suggest you contact a local Baptist Church that isn't Calvinist. If you need help finding one in your area, let me know and I can hook you up...I hope.

Over the past three decades -- partly because of the nature of my work and partly because of my quest for truth / knowledge -- I've spoken to more clergy, apologists and theologians than you could imagine. I always run into the same failed arguments, personal anecdotes and "faith" related propositions -- instead of demonstrable evidence that can truly support the incredible claims.

Moreover -- whether it's a message board, social media, a church or street corner -- if you truly believe, 1 Peter 3:15 says you should be prepared to give an answer or defense for that belief.





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Do you believe; and why? - Lucidus - 05-08-2019, 02:42 PM
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