Do you believe; and why?

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(05-16-2019, 10:58 AM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: No..... the title isn't self explanatory, as I already explained with my Tree of Life example. 

I disagree with your explanation.  Living forever isn't a "greater" form of life, it's life.  Just longer.  Do you think it should have been called the tree of forever life or the tree of continuing life?  If you were alive on a day you should should be dead then you've been given life; literally.

Quote:You can think logically about a story even if you believe that story is fake. Is that not what you're trying to do right now? Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing without reason?

The fact that you are so sure of what it meant to "Know good and evil" as meaning "learn right and wrong for the first time ever" is what I don't understand given that there isn't much information given in regards as to what "knowing good and evil" might actually mean.

You're right we don't have much information so let's look at the information we do have and think of it logically.

1 From the word tree I deduce the Bible is referring to a tree.

2 From the word knowledge I deduce the Bible is referring to knowledge.

3 From the word good I deduce the Bible is referring to good.

4 From the word evil I deduce the Bible is referring to evil.

5 From the term tree of knowledge of good and evil I deduce the Bible is referring to the knowledge or understanding of what is good and what is evil.  What is good and evil, but right and wrong?  The whole Bible is about good and evil, right and wrong, morality and immorality.

6 In Genesis 2 God forbid Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.  In Genesis 3 Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.  From this narrative I deduce this is the first time Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

7 Genesis 2:25 states Adam and Eve were naked and not ashamed.  From this I deduce they were naked.  Also, I deduce they weren't ashamed.  I deduce they weren't ashamed because they have no idea, understanding, or knowledge of anything like . . . good or evil, right or wrong, morality or immorality . . . that would make them feel ashamed.  Because they haven't yet learned they knowledge or gained the understanding of why or what they should be ashamed about.

8 Genesis 3:6-9 states Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Then they knew they were naked, clothed themselves, and hid.

9 Why would they cloth themselves and hide?  Because they were ashamed.

10 Why were they ashamed of their nakedness after eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil?  Because they thought their nudity was wrong or immoral.  Why would they think nudity was immoral?  Because they just ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil for the very first time which 'opened their eyes' because now, for the first time, they understood good and evil, right and wrong, moral and immoral.

11 We live in a country in which conservative Christians lost their collective shit when they saw just ONE of Janet Jackson's nipples for 3/10ths of a second during a Super Bowl halftime show.  A country where women are shamed for breast feeding in public when you can't even see their nipple and even when they cover the baby with a blanket.  Women are shamed and called names like "slut" for showing too much cleavage, for skirts that are too short, and for yoga pants when they are worn outside of yoga class. Why? Because Christians associated nudity or how one dresses with immorality.  It's partially responsible for rating systems for TV programs and movies at the cinema.  If you don't understand my claim that Adam and Eve's shame of their own nudity for the first time is a manifestation of their new found and "basic" knowledge of right and wrong; go to church this Sunday completely butt-naked and tell me what happens.