05-16-2019, 04:23 PM
(05-16-2019, 02:44 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Where did I write "entirely"? Then you finish the paragraph talking about honesty and veracity while arguing against something I didn't write.
Indeed, you didn't. That was a mistake on my part, as I read it incorrectly.
Quote: Asking for more evidence is not a presupposition. Believing there isn't a god before you review their evidence is a presupposition. I would suggest you're smart enough to know that, too. You're a smart guy.
This is where you are mistaking my stance - and maybe it's my fault for not explaining well enough - and perhaps it's causing some confusion in our exchanges. I don't hold the position that there "isn't a God". My position is that I have yet to find sufficient reason - from my perspective - to justify believing there is one.
There's a big difference between declaring X is not the case and having insufficient reasons to think X is the case.
Just because I currently think it seems unlikely that X is the case, it does not mean that X could not be the case.
Quote:How do we "prove" a hypothesis until it becomes an accepted theory? By accumulating a mountain of overwhelming evidence that suggests it is true and other competing hypotheses are incorrect until the evidence suggests another hypothesis is correct. You never used the word "prove" verbatim, but let's be honest with each other, that's exactly what you're doing with your calls for more evidence after you have dismissed "countless" attempts.
Are you offended in some way by the practice of exploring people's rationalizations, justifications and evidences (if they offer)? They are free to answer or not answer as they choose. I find the best conversations are those not restrained by limitations on what can and can't be asked.
Are you stating, that because I've yet to find any compelling evidences of any nature in past conversations and interactions, that I should therefore not continue to seek possible examples in the future discussions with different people?
Quote:I didn't ask you to prove anything. I asked you to demonstrate something. Basically, show me some evidence. I wanted you to demonstrate something so I could believe in it. Because how can I believe in something if it can't be demonstrated? Think about it.
Your request for me to "demonstrate" non-belief would be a bit more applicable - although still nonsensical - if I had asked anyone to demonstrate the opposite.
If you told me that you have found insufficient reasons - to this point - to believe that Bigfoot exists, and I asked you to demonstrate your lack belief in Bigfoot, that would be rather silly on my part, wouldn't you say?
