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(06-20-2019, 08:29 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: That's a chicken and egg thing, though. Are people more likely to be successful coming from two parent households because two parent households are more common in more successful racial groups, or is it really the household status that is the cause? What you present is a correlation, which doesn't mean it isn't a factor, but also doesn't show enough evidence to be causal. You can't say it is the bigger issue because there is no evidence to support that it is.

Edit: Sorry, continued to think about this. One of the reasons for the large difference in household type for the black community is rooted in the institutional racism in the criminal justice system in the United States. So many black males are in the corrections process, at much higher rates than the white community, and often it is because of laws created specifically to target the black community back in the Jim Crow era or things like the War on Drugs. So, racial discrimination in the justice system is even another confounding variable in the equation looking at household type as the issue.

I'm not sure I buy the chicken/egg for this, though. 

There are zero laws created "specifically to target the black community" that say make one parent households. Look at Samuel DuBose, the guy who was shot by UC campus police as a local example. He had 13 children with 11 different women. You're trying to tell me the war on drugs caused him to knock up 11 different women and marry none of them? 

That's 13 children likely living in poverty (before being awarded ~$218k each), or at the very least disadvantaged against two parent household children and there is no chicken or egg. There is just a cultural acceptance that it's an acceptable or inevitable part of life. It shouldn't be.

Since this is ultimately a football board, I will bring up Antonio Cromartie, who has 14 children with 8 different women. NFL money has allowed him to support them, but even then back in 2010 on Hard Knocks, he was only able to NAME 9 out of his 10 children at the time. Dude couldn't even remember the name of one of his children. 

The rapper DMX has 15 children with 9 different women and went to jail for not being able to pay child support.

Those are some singular examples, obviously, and not a concrete case to my point, but the point still remains. There is nothing chicken and egg about it. It's cultural normality. 

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Change that and you fix a whole lot of the problems they want to "fix" with reparations.