07-30-2019, 11:05 AM
(07-30-2019, 03:07 AM)Dill Wrote: ?? As I stated. As my article stated. right? That is one of the reasons for absence of alliance. ("They" in your statement refers to GB, right?)
Britain's actions increase the chances Iran can hold out until we get a Democratic president again. Most people in the Gulf care about preventing an unnecessary war and/or a nuclear armed Iran, not "shame on Iran."
That's how you perceive it, that doesn't make it the way it is. I think it's rather more simple; the UK doesn't want to further ramp up tension by directly cooperating with us militarily in that region. If Iran chooses to comport themselves in an illegal and aggressive, then yes, shame on them. State sanctioned piracy is a rather bad look.
Quote:Jeremy Hunt's proposal clearly addresses "allies." He is seeks to include Germany, Finland, Denmark and Italy, among others.
OOooo, who will be able to stand against that mighty naval alliance? Force projection is rather more than simply sending a warship to X spot on planet Earth.
Quote:Too early for them to "sign off." Italy has at least two aircraft carriers, along with minesweepers and destroyers and attack submarines. France has an aircraft carrier and several destroyers. The other countries can muster more submarines, minesweepers and other support ships. May not matter at all if this is a "minute fraction" of the ability of the US Navy.
France is the only nation on that list with (1) a real carrier. Again, this is a face saving measure and for some reason you're completely buying it.
Quote:Nothing italicized argues against my point, bolded above.
Ahh, the old it's this way because I say so argument that you so often decry in others.
Quote:Why is the effort to keep Iran to the deal, to separate from US policy, by including fellow Europeans, a "hollow, face saving gesture"? Why any need to "save face" on a policy consciously decided?
The navy alliance is a face saving gesture. As for the deal, they still believe in it, they want it to succeed. Our current administration feels differently. Sometimes friends disagree.
Quote:What about US policy would force the US' most important ally to go it alone this way? Are they just being stupid?
You always ask these pedantic questions like you're being clever, it's rather obnoxious. No one is disputing that these tensions have been largely caused by the US reimposing sanctions against Iran. Although it is worth pointing out that the Iranian piracy was a direct response to the UK seizing an Iranian flagged tanker as that tanker was violating EU sanctions. So, actually, the Iranian piracy is a response to something that has zero to do with the US and its reimposed sanctions. The naval alliance, however, must certainly does.
