10-02-2015, 09:44 AM
(10-02-2015, 08:31 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: No, I don't see a difference. And thank you for your nomination. Coming from you it is a real complement.
If Dalton had the best talent in the league, why did everyone predict they would go 0-16 in a season where he was thrust in as starter (Palmer had a year to sit behind Kitna), had no OTAs, but still took them to the playoffs? Palmer took a VERY talented team to the playoffs twice, and lost right away. Don't make it sound like he was the reason they made the playoffs, either. That 2009 team won because of defense and a healthy running game. Not Palmer.
You would think by now that the "any number of QBs could have advanced this team" would have stopped as people saw massive failures in the defense and injuries that lead in part to a much greater pass rush for the opposition, but facts are simply lost on people who would rather call Dalton an "Achilles Heel".
^ Really disappointing post from someone who clearly invested in a #14 jersey.
I am really happy and surprised with how Dalton has played. He's been exactly what the team has needed and then some. But lets not let a 3 game streak from a notoriously streaky QB get in the way of facts.....
- You bring up Dalton's rookie year to dispute someone saying Dalton has had some of the most talented teams in the league to work with over the past 4 seasons? Way to take a snippet of a comment and twist it around. Reminds me of the ads for movies where they take a snippet of a quote and put it at the top. Reviewer writes "Tries to be the best QB ever" and the ad department turns it into "Best QB ever.". No one... repeat... no one has banged on Andy for his rookie year or said that his rookie year he had one of the most talented teams in the NFL. Yet, you twist it into that?
- Carson lost in the playoffs twice? Sure. Only, he played 2 snaps in one of them and the other was a collective melt down after a strong start where Coles fumbled the ball on the Jets 26 after a great kickoff return. Carson's play vs. the Jets in 2009 does not even come close to = Dalton filling his pants against the Chargers in 2013.
- The defense got them to the playoffs in 2009? That vaunted D that at the end of the season gave up 37 points to the Jets and got the ball ran all over them? In 2009 I remember Carson leading multiple 4th quarter comebacks. Especially the Browns game in OT when he literally told Marvin "No", called a timeout, and sent the punt team back off the field... Then went and got the first down so the kicker could win the game? Carson doesn't do that and the Bengals play for the tie, like Marvin wanted to do, and they don't make the playoffs that year at all.
- In 2006 & 2007, that killer D that Carson allegedly had stunk. In fact, most of Carson's career in Cincy it the D had been nowhere close to what AD has had to work with. Consider this: When combining the 2006 & 2007 seasons, if the Bengals D would have held opponents to 24 points or less they would have won 12 more games between the two seasons, had 1st round byes in both years, and one of the best records in the NFL. Marvin's teams stunk on D & special teams while Carson was in Cincy. S-T-U-N-K. And people want to be butt hurt that after 8 years of it Carson said he was out? Nothing had changed or had gotten better nor were there indicators of an up tick. Only AFTER Carson publicly humiliated the organization did things change.
- Everyone predicted 0-16 because based on how the Bengals were being coached and ran. And rightfully so, IMO. They were AWFUL and perennial under achievers and some of the worst coached teams in the NFL. Marvin has changed a lot since.
I think AD has played great and looks like a different QB so far this season. But he did last season after 3 games as well. I hope he continues. I want him to continue. Heck, if he can avg. a passer rating in the upper 90's for the season the Bengals should be a good bet to win a lot of games. But, that still doesn't make him as good as Carson nor change the fact that Carson would have been the superior talent/QB on this team over the last 4 seasons.
It's cute to root for AD, but maybe consider pumping the brakes on the revisionist history?
