Trump booed at World Series

[Dill]

(10-29-2019, 11:01 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I have mixed feelings on the lock him up chant. I think that kind of rhetoric is dangerous because, taken to its extreme, you are discussing jailing your political opponents, which is insanely un-American and anti-democracy (as it is when Trump does it). Trump hasn't been convicted of anything yet, even if there is more and more evidence every day, so demanding he be put in jail is unpalatable at best. With that said, I do see the irony that he has so openly advocated for HIS political opponents to be thrown in jail, despite investigations showing that there is not enough evidence to justify prison time (whether you find that justification or not, it is what it is). 

There's a fair bit of schadenfreude in seeing a man so vehement about wanting to throw his political opponents in jail (whether that be Hillary, Joe/Hunter Biden or even Obama) actually end up on the wrong side of an investigation that could, realistically, result in him being imprisoned. Kind of a "hoisted by your petard" moment, which was undeniably ironic and comical.

I don't think coming to this conclusion is necessarily partisan although, as I said above, it is difficult to evaluate your own biases in such a partisan environment.

I rather agree with you, C-Dawg. Likely SOME people chanting "lock him up" were exhibiting the same base motivations as those which sweep through supporters at every Trump rally, but your recognition of the irony implicit in directing this chant towards Trump probably describes the motivation of many or most of those at the game.

I.e., the chanters aren't simply a mirror-image of Trump supporters who really want to lock up someone they have been coached to hate.  In this case, the POINT was to "hoist Trump on his own petard," as you put it; give him a taste of his own medicine. Let the bully see what it feels like when what goes around comes around.

Would not surprise me at all if a lot/most of those people chanting were chanting because they actually DON'T LIKE lynch-mob style chants, and they want to let Trump know it by putting him in the victim's seat.


And I agree your conclusion is not "partisan."  It is just a more nuanced kind of sorting, which includes important contextual variables.