11-04-2019, 11:48 AM
(11-01-2019, 07:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I see you didn't answer my question. Just asked more of your own. But I will extend you the courtesy of addressing your question. He found taking pride in sin to be objectable.
Regardless of his religion it's not up to you to tell him what to believe
Look, you asked me this question:
(11-01-2019, 04:50 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Let's assume the person from the organization who requested the message was not homosexual. Was that person denied service because of sexual orientation or because of the message?
How am I supposed to answer your question if I don't know what the message is? I can't. Which is why I asked what was the message. You're not showing me any courtesy, you're just being your usual condescending self which is the opposite of courtesy.
(11-01-2019, 12:12 PM)bfine32 Wrote: https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article150169482.html
I will assume that was the actual t-shirt design the prospective customer requested. There is nothing in that t-shirt design that violates community standards of decency. I don't see any sort of message about taking pride in sin. I've looked at their website and there is no message about taking pride in sin, either. So to answer your question; no, they weren't refused service based upon the message. The group was refused service based upon the owner's pride in his own sanctimony.
But, here's the thing about sin. We're all sinners. Who teaches that? Christians. The owner of the company is a sinner. His pastor is a sinner. All his fellow parishioners are sinners. All of his customers are sinners. So if the owner had a deeply held belief against doing business with sinners he wouldn't have a single customer. Obviously, he isn't morally opposed to doing business with sinners because his company isn't out of business. If Christian churches refused to minister to sinners they would be empty and out of business, too.
I've never attended a gay pride event. However, I did watch this documentary about how the Mormon church ostracizes LGBTQ individuals which has lead to a rash of suicides: https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/believer. These events aren't about taking pride in sin so much as helping people realized they aren't the worthless piece of shit they and others are lead to believe by the Church. It's not just Mormons, though. Last time I was in Ohio in 2016 I was listening to an AM radio broadcast of some ignorant hillbilly pastor's sermon from somewhere in BFE Kentucky preaching nothing but hate to his congregation regarding homosexuals.
Jesus teaches y'all to love one another, forgive one another, and don't judge one another because y'all ain't fit to judge anyone. Speaking of taking pride in sin, pride is a sin. Pride in one's own virtue as in putting one's self above others. As in one sinner believing they're better than another sinner. As in another Christian business owner who is a sinner refusing to do business with another sinner because they think they're too virtuous to do business with a customer because they . . . gasp . . . are a sinner.
