Iran Situation

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(01-17-2020, 12:42 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Oh, so you've already been enlightened thus proving you are ignoring the definition while insinuating your aren't ignoring the information.  Classic bfine.


McChrystal described the Quds as a cross between the CIA and JSOC.  Patraeus described Soleimani as " the equivalent in U.S. terms of the CIA director, CENTCOM commander, JSOC commander, and presidential envoy for the region for Iran."  Soleimani was a member of Iran's military no matter how much you want to throw around terms like "terrorist organization."  So Soleimani occupied the same position as McChrystal as JSOC commander and Patraeus as CIA director combined.  The US killing Soleimani is like Iran killing both McChrystal and Patraeus.  And the same people claiming this wasn't an act of war would be the same ones claiming it is an act of war if Iran had assassinated McChrystal and Patraeus while they were still in those positions.

Our nation's government directed our nation's military to use a military weapons system to kill a general from another country's military.  The second nation's government directed their military to shoot missiles at out military in retaliation for our military strike.  That's armed conflict between two militaries of two nations which is our government's definition of act of war.

The US doesn't have the legal right to conduct military strikes within the borders of a third party sovereign nation without that country's consent unless there is evidence of an imminent attack (clear and present danger).  Which these bumbling fools have made clearly evident they had neither.


No shit since you've been doing it since at least "post 382."


Not an expert.  Just an ordinary guy who can read and understand four lines of English from the United States Code.

I believe Iran considers the assassination of one of their military leaders as an act of war since they are the ones that fired missiles at our military in retaliation for our military strike on their military.  Some folks might confuse that with an "expert" opinion, but really it's just common sense.

The United States has classified the IRGC as a terrorist organization.
https://www.state.gov/designation-of-the-islamic-revolutionary-guard-corps/

• On April 15, the IRGC will be added to the State Department’s FTO list, which includes 67 other terrorist organizations including Hizballah, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Kata’ib Hizballah, and al-Ashtar Brigades.
• The IRGC FTO designation highlights that Iran is an outlaw regime that uses terrorism as a key tool of statecraft and that the IRGC, part of Iran’s official military, has engaged in terrorist activity or terrorism since its inception 40 years ago.
• The IRGC has been directly involved in terrorist plotting; its support for terrorism is foundational and institutional, and it has killed U.S. citizens. It is also responsible for taking hostages and wrongfully detaining numerous U.S. persons, several of whom remain in captivity in Iran today.
• The Iranian regime has made a clear choice not only to fund and equip, but also to fuel terrorism, violence, and unrest across the Middle East and around the world at the expense of its own people.
• The Iranian regime is responsible for the deaths of at least 603 American service members in Iraq since 2003. This accounts for 17% of all deaths of U.S. personnel in Iraq from 2003 to 2011, and is in addition to the many thousands of Iraqis killed by the IRGC’s proxies.
• This action is a significant step forward in our maximum pressure campaign against the Iranian regime. We will continue to increase financial pressure and raise the costs on the Iranian regime for its support of terrorist activities until Tehran abandons this unacceptable behavior.
  

What an individual here or there considers them does not change that simple fact. And I've mentioned numerous times: It does matter have Iran thinks. They have attacked innocent Americans for a number of reason in the past. Should we consider those reasons Acts of War?

But just like Fred and let you and your common sense keep thinking this was an Act of War.