Impeachment Hearings

[HarleyDog]

(02-06-2020, 09:45 PM)hollodero Wrote: I and others have addressed those points again and again until our fingers turned blue. At this point, the Trump supporters I know quit the conversation or talk about something else. Just to bring all that up again after some time.

Let's do it again though.

@Biden yeah, his son had a seat on Burisma. Yeah, he probably did get that job because his last name gave the company some credibility. He wouldn't have gotten the job if he were not a Biden. Still he took it, which of course I consider fishy. I guess almost everyone does.
Then again, it's not illegal and it has nothing inherently to do with Joe Biden. Joe Biden did not fire an Ukrainian prosecutor to protect his son. This narrative is just false. He helped firing a corrupt prosecutor, along with all other western nations; a prosecutor that also left Burisma alone for their possible misdeeds in times before Hunter joined. His firing was not inherently helpful to Hunter.

@fake dossier only a few things were falsified. Some were confirmed. Some are just allegations. It is a part of oppo research, an ugly thing that is baffling to see, but happening all the time nonetheless. You hardly can win an US election without this kind of uglyness.
Steele was hired by a fellow republican and picked up by Hillary. In that sense, the dossier resulted from a bipartisan effort to find actual dirt on Trump. None of the things were used against Trump in the presidential election. And the FBI Russia investigation was not based on the dossier either (but on Papadopoulos, which even Devin Nunes acknowledged in his "release the memo" flop)

@Comey he screwed Hillary way more than he ever screwed Trump. He announced new investigations days before the election, which hurt her immensely. Because of that, it seems unreasonable to see him as an anti-Trump partisan.
But sure, he made nortes when Trump demanded loyalty out of him. If anything, he was a coward in this instance. But he has all reasons to be alarmed and let it be known that this happened. It should alarm everyone, everyone that an US poresident demands loyalty of the FBI leader.

@Russian collusion this was not born out of nothing. Have you ever bothered reading into part 1 of the Mueller report. Yeah, there was nothing that could be proven as an illegal deed. But that does not mean there was nothing to see. There was plenty to see, plenty really shady stuff. I can expand if you wish. Think Roger Stone and his contacts to Wikileaks, Paul Manafort and his private briefings he gave to Russian oligarchs (amongst other things), think Michael Flynn, think Trump tower meeting.
On and also Russia meddled in your election with a thorough disinformation campaign. This is a fact.

@deleted emails how was this not debated in length. It was a huge topic on CNN (that I know), it was talked about all the time. Reasonably, I came to the conclusion that nefarious intent could not be proven. That is fueled by learning how this deletion came to pass. Emails were deleted that regularly should have been deleted a long time agom but someone did not do his job. That's what happened. Every additional allegation is way more unfounded speculation than the things thrown at Trump.
Also, Hillary was an awful candidate and this whole private server thing was more than just a blunder, to me. Then again. Trump does the same kind of things and no republican makes anything of it. Trump actually secures calssified information way worse than Hillary did with her server. He tells Russian foreign ministers, talks about them in restaurants, shouts about them on the phone, which btw. is unsecured. Whoiever slams Hillary for her being so uncautious and has no issue with Trump being way more uncautious does not make a good faith argument.

@etc anything else?

-- aside from that, carry on... just don't make the accusation that these things do not get addressed.

What?