The Abortion Question

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(10-17-2015, 08:26 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Not a single one of those state a zygote or an adult human is a stage of development, but they are.  Because the diagrams show the stages of development for people who don't understand words.  Like the words in post #546 . . .

Look again. See the words in ALL CAPS? THEY are the stages of development, not the other words (or are you honestly suggesting that "nucleus" and "neural tube" are both stages of development?).

(10-17-2015, 08:33 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: The first diagram is from the National Center for Biotechnology Information and most (if not all) of the rest come from educational sites.  More credible than any "testamonial" from your Bible.

I never mentioned the Bible, but thanks for getting personal. Tells everyone that you don't have an argument and/or are losing the argument.

(10-17-2015, 08:57 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: 1)Do you see "sperm" and "egg"?  Those are the names of the gametes!  Holy shit, batman!  The gametes are shown as stages in the life cycle plain as f'n day and they are labeled with their approriate names.  No wonder you don't understand, everything shown is correct with the appropriate nomenclature.

2)By "bullshit," of course you mean "scientific diagram appropriately depicting gametes as a stage of a development which confused me because the gametes were correctly labeled "sperm" and "egg."

3)Of course, that is your favorite because it is completely wrong.  If it were correct that would mean a zygote isn't a stage in human development.  But, of course, a zygote is a stage of development which precedes the embryo.  Thus an embryo CANNOT be the EARLIEST stage of development.

4) OMG . . . adult isn't listed as a stage of human development!!!!  My favorite is the biological definition "a fully grown, mature organism" which according to your logic isn't a stage in the development of any organism because the definition didn't specifically state "stage of development" in its definition.  

1) Of course, and when I think back to when I was in the "nucleus" stage ... I mean, after all, it's listed in the diagram, which means that EVERYTHING listed are obviously stages of development.

2) You obviously don't know how to read a diagram if you think that's what it was showing.

3) Actually, it's not wrong. Look at one of the definitions for "zygote": The early embryo that develops from a fertilized oocyte.


4) That's because "adult" is not the technical term. I believe the term that would be used is "mature": http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/mature

(10-17-2015, 08:59 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: It is true, but not because I claim it to be.

And yet, you seem to have a hard time proving it to be true meanwhile I've provided clear cut evidence that it's not.

Please note: my original argument is that abortion is murder is because zygotes and embryos and fetuses and so on will become human beings if not aborted. All this talk about gametes being a stage or not has been your very successful attempt at obfuscating the argument to where we're no longer talking about abortion; another common tactic for pro choicers to avoid the realities of abortion. 

I say this because I'm done with you. I know you're going to respond with pretty much the same argument(s) you've been spouting the last few pages. Neither of us is giving ground nor will either of us admit to being wrong. I'm tired of this go around, so feel free to respond, but note that my lack of a response to your next post(s) is simply an indication that I'm done debating this with you. Call it whatever you want, but I'm done. I may last longer than most, but even I have my limits.

I say this with all sincerity: good day to you and God bless.