So what’s next?

[Dill]

(06-06-2020, 03:57 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I didn't bring the jobs quote up Dino and Hollo did. I merely used it to illustrate my point of blaming Trump. He actually said very kind words about Floyd. 
I get not saying: "it's Trump's fault!!!" is going to be met with opposition around here, but it just kinda proves my point. WTS/ I'm done with the subject. I don't expect you or anyone to say "You know what? What is happening really isn't Trump's fault; we should look elsewhere for our answers". And I am not going to say "Race relations will get better without Trump". I was around during Obama and race relations sucked. It was a time of Dylann Roof and guess what: Obama was not to blame.

Well it just kinda proves, again, that you ignore the causal relation between Trump's actions, policies, and the just criticisms these draw. 

You have been offered a perfectly good explanation of why "removing Trump from office would be a positive step toward rebuilding relationships between police and minorities"--an explanation based upon his policies and actions as president, and the kind of supporters those policies have drawn.

Rather than demonstrate that the aforesaid policies were not his, or not conducive to police violence, or why he and his supporters would not continue to block actual reform at the local level, you reduce this factual policy history to a simple claim "it's Trump's fault," and dismiss that as too obviously wrong to deserve a closer look, especially after Trump said some "very kind words" about Floyd (as he will about anyone--Putin, Kim, Erdogan--if there is a momentary advantage).  Whatever happened to "watch what Trump does, not what he says"?
 
The Dylan Roof analogy is rather like the "thugs" analogy--complete disconnect from the context of each president's intent, policies and rhetoric from bad actors who may indeed by orienting their actions according to those policies and rhetoric.

President Obama was not tweeting support for white nationalists, or crafting immigration polices and signing executive orders to their liking. So no, probably no influence there--other than maybe the shock of a black president pushed Roof over the edge. That's why no one blames Obama.

In contrast, president Trump warned police against being TOO GENTLE when making arrests, funneling military equipment to them, removing Obama's "handcuffs" as the president of the Minneapolis police union proclaimed at a Trump rally. Impossible to see how any of that could give Chauvin the impression he could keep his knee on Floyd's neck.

But you would have us "look elsewhere" for answers, because Obama had nothing to do with the Charleston massacre?