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(06-11-2020, 03:06 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Yea, there are some serious fundamental issues with the Constitution, specifically in how it approaches people of color and how it approaches the right to vote and competency of the electorate. 

Yeah, or how it allowes every dimwit to go out hung with weapons like a Chechen army... but I digress. I get this made sense when outlaws, hostile native tribes or english armies or whatever, or buffalos and grizzlies, were a clear and present danger. Or to form a militia against tyrants, which imho shows how little trust there was in the system to prohibit just that from the start.


(06-11-2020, 03:06 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The argument against a parliamentary system is that an independent executive ensures more checks and balances. The further divided the powers of government are, the harder it is for there to be tyranny. 

Well, that works out just splendidly right now, doesn't it. Which is the obvious risk here, that by separating the powers domination of one branch over the other (like flat out taking checks away from Congress) is actually easier as if they were more intertwined. Imho.
Also, if that thought were to be at least consistent, supreme court judges would have to be elected by the people (or whatever the EC is) as well.

- Another downside are permanent lame ducks, a concept so divisive and potentially blocking it does not seem quite reasonable. Which imho came painfully true when McConnell directly told Obama that the senate will oppose him on every turn no matter what. Which, of course, invites ruling by 'executive order' (another quite strange concept) and enhancing said danger of tyranny further.


(06-11-2020, 03:06 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: However, the EC provides for Congress selecting POTUS if no one gets a majority of EC votes, which happened 4 elections in. The FF assumed this would happen more often than not, so it was a way to appease those who wanted Congress to select.

I did not know that. Interesting.
Sure the problem is that the current EC also establishes a two party system where this can not possibly happen. I take it it wasn't always like that, but it is like that as of now, and it's no wonder that a winner takes all system was established by the two most powerful parties, so every other party is doomed to fail from the start.


(06-11-2020, 03:06 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: And, yea, I would say the EC does not concern itself with creating responsible voters. If anything it presumes irresponsibility of the electorate and gives the duties of multiple elections (POTUS and Senate) over to an elite few. The whole premise of the EC was "less educated people will pick educated people to pick the president". 

Not to mention 4 million unblemished US citizens are not allowed to vote for president at all.
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