It's Kamala!

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(08-12-2020, 12:33 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Wow, we must be watching two different clips.

I feel like I saw that kind of bickering all the time in the debates and seldomly have I regarded something as "destroying". What Warren did with Bloomberg, that was destroying. Aside from that, I feel the debate format alone does not really allow for meaningful discourse in the first place, and also not for determining who has the upper hand and "won" the exchange. Big part of that is Tapper interrupting everyone mid-sentence with his "thank you". What meaningful points can you even start to bring up if you got 1,5 sentences long to do so? Just letting it be instead of trying to make a finer point while being talked over already makes more sense, probably.

Gabbard had her sound bite, I did not find her attack line too persuasive and it's not like Harris got demasked there with big revelations. But that's just me, it's up to everyone to judge that really, also I do not want defend Harris too much for I am not really a fan to begin with.

(08-12-2020, 12:33 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Sure, just like Obama.  In this regard I'm apparently the perfect liberal, as I've been for same sex marriage my entire adult life (ask bfine, we used to argue about it all the time in the early 2000's).  I didn't have to "evolve" or a have a talk about it with my daughter.  Except now, to many, I'm a racist right winger, maybe other people "evolved"?

I don't attack Gabbard on that too much, everyone can evolve, and so can Kamala Harris on the topic of marijuana legislation. She is for it now, imho that's that then. Her position changed, Biden's position changed, Gabbard's position changed, Obama's position changed, I think good for all of them. I don't find it effective to try to "destroy" anyone about such a shift in opinion.
As for the latter, I don't see many people calling you racist in any way, for the record I of course do not think that. But I do see you as kind of sympathetic to more right leaning policies, but there's zero harm in that and I also might be wrong. I never meant to bring your stance into the same sex marriage example, guess I always assumed you had no issue with that, you don't seem the type to have one.

(08-12-2020, 12:33 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Like is a relative term.  She's by far more preferable than the other Dem candidates.  No, I don't like her stance on firearms, but I do like that she is pragmatic and not married to party orthodoxy.  It's similar to why I really like 2000 era John McCain, although his stances were much more in line with my own, he spoke his mind and wasn't afraid to go his own way if he felt strongly enough about something.  That character trait alone, being so rare in a US politician, is worthy of admiration.

She did not bend on some controversial stances, I give her that.
In a sense, Trump also is not afraid to go his own way, but I do not admire him for his rather original stances.