It's Kamala!

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(08-12-2020, 12:33 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Wow, we must be watching two different clips.

I concur with Hollodero, on his take as far as these clips are concerned. It simply never came across as a destruction. It seemed that she was attacked, and while staying quiet for Gabbard to finish her talk, Harris went back and provided a rebuttal for the attack. The rebuttal could have come across as condescending or slightly defensive or both, but at no time did it seem as though Harris was so "destroyed" that the attacker had her at a loss of words or composure, nor necessarily that her answer was a deflection of the attack. And part of it, if I remember any analysis that I read on the debates at the time, could have simply been strategic, since Gabbard had barely any support in terms of voters' attention, whereas at the time, Harris' focus was on reducing the gap between herself vs. Warren and Biden. Obviously she didn't succeed in reducing it. But I suppose we just see it differently, and this is not a major contention one way or the other.

Quote:Sure, just like Obama.  In this regard I'm apparently the perfect liberal, as I've been for same sex marriage my entire adult life (ask bfine, we used to argue about it all the time in the early 2000's).  I didn't have to "evolve" or a have a talk about it with my daughter.  Except now, to many, I'm a racist right winger, maybe other people "evolved"?

I think you might be slightly different in this aspect. I while being totally for same sex marriage for the last 10 to 15 years, am not sure I felt this way prior. Partly, because it wasn't a subject that I considered hardly ever, at that time, but I do remember, feeling uncomfortable the first time one of my friends sneakily took us to a "gay club", but then over subsequent years, being comfortable in that type of an environment, even though I myself am a heterosexual. In this way, I suppose, I "evolved", granted over just a few years, but at the same time, I didn't find myself under the cauldron of the political incubator. So, I will give a little leeway for evolving, provided it can plausibly seem genuine.

Quote:You could clearly see Harris had zero response and just had to absorb it with a grimace.  Seriously, it's as close to a perfect take down as you'll ever see in these debates.

I addressed this above, but it seemed to be more condescending than a grimace of injury.

Quote:Like is a relative term.  She's by far more preferable than the other Dem candidates.  No, I don't like her stance on firearms, but I do like that she is pragmatic and not married to party orthodoxy.  It's similar to why I really like 2000 era John McCain, although his stances were much more in line with my own, he spoke his mind and wasn't afraid to go his own way if he felt strongly enough about something.  That character trait alone, being so rare in a US politician, is worthy of admiration.

 I find Gabbard to be very straightforward and forthright and a lot unlike a typical politician. I admire the likes of her and Tammy Duckworth that way, and would have preferred either of them over Harris as the VP, but understand some reasons why they were not chosen. On your point about McCain, I cannot express how strongly I agree with that statement. You're a conservative, and I like to think of myself either as an Independent or moderate, with differing views on a gamut of issues that don't neatly fit into the conservative or liberal box, but the McCain of the late 90s was someone I strongly admired precisely because he seemed to be a man of principle who would go his own way away from the party norm if his principles warranted such an action. While, I have not casted a vote for a Republican yet, I have always maintained that if McCain had won the Republican nomination in 2000, he would have garnered my vote without any question. I also would have gladly voted for Kasich in the last election, if he had been the nominee. Somehow, the McCain of 2000 was not quite the same in 2008, and while I saw some of the qualities worthy of admiration, he definitely seemed to have been eroded by the political pressures by that time. Still admire him down to his final days.