08-14-2020, 12:36 PM
(08-12-2020, 02:21 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I understand why, but I also think it is a bit misinformed. This is why I continue to have these conversations with you.
I appreciate the effort on your part.
(08-12-2020, 09:43 PM)hollodero Wrote: I hate to interject constantly, weird I do it anyway: I guess the reason is that for many, including me, your case for loathing the Democratic party seems a tad underwhelming. Especially when it comes to Biden and Harris. This is not a far left ticket by any means, at the same time it (imho) is not a placeholder ticket for AOC et al. And other leading democrats, and the democrativc electorate, seem to be on a similar page still, they are all not that radical, not that far left, the majority of Democrats doesn't seem to be. Fringe fractions excepted.
And that's why for me it's sometimes a bit hard to grasp, why all that loathe you describe expands to include Trump's quite moderate opponent. A guy that probably wouldn't even imply universal healthcare and honestly comes across as overall pretty conservative to me.
To include someting specific, what about Biden's positions specifically would you loathe?
His extreme stance on gun control aside, it's not what he, personally, embodies, it's the idea of a Dem held Congress and White House. You're focusing too much on the office of the Presidency, I'm more concerned with what his holding it will enable the Dems to do on Capitol Hill. Here's the thing, I kept warning people that CA style gun control was coming to a theater near you, people scoffed at the idea. It's now happening, incrementally in some areas, but it's happening. I can see which way the wind is blowing and the Dems complete capitulation to the current far left sentiment has shown me that their being in power is something we should want to avoid at all cost. So Biden, on his own, is not some far left fringe lunatic. Harris is a political opportunist, always has been, she'll be whatever gets her what she wants, which is more power. Neither will stand up to the extremists in their own party. They might not always cater to them, but they certainly won't repudiate them.