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(08-24-2020, 12:31 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I find it interesting that both the Klan and the far left use the same rules to decide who is, and is not, black.  

Yes, that's what drags the forum down.  It's certainly not groups of people who like to mob up on other posters.  That's never caused any problems.

I didn't know the Klan and "the far left" use the same rules to decide who is, and and is not, black.

Again, your point is not clear because your usage of "the left" is pretty broad and likely includes many I would not consider left (hence the quotation marks). "Both sides do it" is a common trope in US politics, which always begs closer examination. It is also a common trope on Fox, as a continual deflection/equivocation.

But so far as I can tell, leftists-without-quotation-marks nowadays think race is a social construct. They also tend to look at all peoples as "hybrids" of some sort. This follows a l o n g history of challenging the "the one drop rule" 

E.g., F. James Davis' Who Is Black? One Nation's Definition, came out in 1991, and for a decade was a touchstone for racial discussions in the U.S. It's a wonderful intro to the issue as he does an excellent job of tracking the legal and historical ramifications of the one-drop rule, to explain to our friends outside the US, for example, why so many white-looking African Americans still identify as Black. "White" leftists like deceased Harvard professor Stephen Jay Gould (a Marxist) challenged racist conceptions of race during this period as well. (Mentioning these more recent authors ignores the historical fact that left-without-quotation-marks movements have supported Black liberation in numerous forms in the US and abroad since the 19th century.)

Well, I don't want to keep listing. Such views on race, which emerged from the Left-without-quotation-marks have drifted from the left of the political spectrum towards the center over the last three decades. The closer one gets to the center, one finds, naturally, the most liberal definitions of who is black--pretty much whoever wants to be.  And one finds people arguing over who is "really" black, though generally that argument is tied to experience, not the one-drop rule. The further to right one proceeds on the US spectrum, one moves from "post racism" back to biological definitions of race and the one-drop rule.  The Fox News segment that Dino posted is interesting because it shows right wing pundits trying to appropriate and use the very criteria so long discredited by the Left-without-quotation-marks.

So I'll concede that the Klan is still using the one-drop rule, but I'm wondering why you would conclude that "the left" or the left or whomever still is. Can you offer some examples? What is gained by such a claim? What would Leftists or "Leftists" gain? It's pretty easy to see how the one drop-rule supports the Klan's vision for an all-white US; how would it support the left's vision of a multicultural US, one based upon racial equality?