08-24-2020, 07:22 PM
(08-24-2020, 06:15 PM)Dill Wrote: Hmmm. I've been reading your posts in good faith and responding to them with discussion and explanation. E.g., without condemning things you claimed, I've taken the time to explain how I am use terms like "racism" and "leftism" with reference to their history. I've asked you for similar explanations of your position, so far without success. If I claimed you "dodged" something I would quote the dodge and explain why it was a dodge. I wouldn't just point and claim and then point again. Why wouldn't THAT be dodging?
How could Obama be "black" if his mother was a white woman? It is no more accurate to say he is black than to say he is white. You've absolutely provided your use of these terms, and I find your use less than acceptable, at best self serving.
Quote:So I don't think "we all" see a dodge and "know why." Or at least we don't see me dodging.
Do you mean the royal "we"?
Quote:You say you gave me an example of "the left" using the one drop rule. But I don't see any such example. You just asked if Obama was "black." If I answer "yes," that doesn't prove that I or Obama or anyone else has adopted the one-drop rule, designed to base legal exclusion on a biological fiction. Perhaps you misunderstand what the one-drop rule is and how it works? You are not familiar with its legal history and application? Could be you are putting your on gloss on the term, so it fits for you but no one else. An explanation of what you mean by the one-drop rule, and why that applies to ME calling Obama "Black," could clarify or rule out that possibility.
Why would someone who is no more black than white be labeled as black? Why isn't (s)he white? Oh wait, you're using the prison determinant of race, which is you are what you look like. Not a good look in my opinion.
Quote:Same answer for Colin Kaepernick. Calling people with African features
What do you mean, "African features"? What are these features you're alluding to?
Quote:who self-identify as black "black" is just not proof that "the left," or anyone assents to such identification, is applying a biological designation toward legal discrimination. If your examples stood, then recognizing that any individual belongs to any any "race" would be an application of the one-drop rule, even in places where the rule never existed and people have no knowledge of it.
Ahh, now you're introducing the need "legal discrimination" into the mix. Pleas don't bother. I am referencing the almost complete tendency by those on the left to label a mixed race person, in which some of their ancestry is black, as "black".
Quote:Still a chance for dialogue here. You invoked "the dodge" as a bad practice. So explain why recognizing Obama or Kaepernick as "Black" is necessarily a deployment of the one-drop rule. Are you saying that recognition of race in ANY capacity or any purpose = a one-drop rule devised for racial control? If that were the case, why was it ever necessary to elaborate a one drop rule if it were already universal? Can you answer with, not a question or an accusation, but an explanation?
Why aren't Obama or Kaepernick identified as white? They are no more black than they are white, correct? See, I personally don't care, at all. People can identify as whatever they choose, but I do find it amusing that any amount of black ancestry gets one labeled as black by the left. Feel free to offer a counter example.
Quote:Also, show how a one-drop rule in Brazil which "works the other way" proves your point that "leftists" use the same rule as the Klan in the US.
You just acknowledged how the exact same principle works in reverse in Brazil. A concept cannot work in reverse without the counterpart working as previously described.
Quite honestly though, this conversation is going in a direction I'm not inclined to continue. As I said, I don't care what people want to identify as. I just find it odd that a person with any black ancestry is considered black by people who say they strive for racial equality. I guess the rest of their genetic ancestry is immaterial.
