09-07-2020, 02:00 PM
(09-07-2020, 01:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Trump is responsible for suggesting Obama was born outside of the US. I merely took exception with he's the one that started it and it's one of the reasons for the violent protests. I blame the folks violently protesting for violent protests. That's where we differ.
The issue was this:
(09-06-2020, 09:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You ask a lot of questions but have no other answer than "because Trump". The Left were extremely violent leading up to the 2016 election, you cannot deny that; nor can you make up that Trump cultivated it; it was already there. Many called Obama the Great Divider; perhaps there was something to it.
Bottom line: You cannot accuse Trump of cultivating something that was happening before he was ever elected. The millennials came to age around 2006-2016. This generation was brought up on the internet and they consider themselves socially awoken. They are highly educated (do read intelligent) and absorbed great debt to get there. The Left offered them everything they wanted and when it was threatened they got mad and when they didn't get it they lost their minds.
I reminded you that birtherism is part of the "cultivation" of division, and it came BEFORE Trump was ever elected. There was no claim Trump "started it," only that he made it his signature theme years before actually running for office. And since "leftist" refused to "go low" as Trump did, the Hillary whatabout does nothing to refute the point. It only contrasts the difference in ethical standards between the campaigns.
Let's see if we can at least agree Trump Trump DID, in fact, introduce racist claims about Obama into the national political discourse BEFORE he was elected. Once that is established, we can move to the question of whether stirring up whitelash absolves him from any responsibility for violence, racial or anti-racial, during his presidency.