09-16-2020, 09:09 AM
(09-16-2020, 01:18 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Mick, if you put your answers inside my quote then I can’t quote your quotes. So I’m sorry for this format.
1) Injecting disinfectants is not thinking outside the box.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/25/845015236/nyc-poison-control-sees-uptick-in-calls-after-trumps-disinfectant-comments
https://www.google.com/amp/s/en.as.com/en/2020/04/25/other_sports/1587834179_103339.amp.html
Despite your doubts, poison control centers across the country reported increased exposures to disinfectants and ERs treated more patients for the same.
2) We did very little to protect anyone initially because Trump was lying to us. Your suggestion of getting rid of social distancing, getting rid of face coverings, and eliminating any sort of restrictions on gatherings would essentially return us to January before things got really bad and some people started taking it seriously rather than listening to Trump’s lies.
3) So you don’t have any data, just a feeling? And I’m supposed to trust your feeling over Dr. Fauci’s education, training, and experience?
Yesterday, I admitted to michaelsean he was correct and I was wrong based upon data. I’ve indicated I’m capable of admitting I’m wrong and changing my position, but why should I believe you instead of epidemiologists?
4) Pick any Confederate soldier you like and he is a traitor to this country and the enemy undeserving of a monument to his treason. They should be pulled down.
5) Floyd was in restraints and in the police vehicle. Basically, mission accomplished before they pulled him out of the vehicle they tried so hard to get him into. I know he was uncooperative getting into the vehicle which is why it was so stupid to remove him once they got him in there. I’ve prescribed and administered many types of pain meds. Including fentanyl while in Iraq. If Floyd ODed on fentanyl or any opioid it wouldn’t take three cops to WRESTLE him into a vehicle. He wouldn’t be resisting arrest. He’d be resisting unconsciousness.
Here’s his autopsy report which doesn’t list OD as a cause of death :
https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/hennepinus/residents/public-safety/documents/floyd-autopsy-6-3-20.pdf
This is a study showing the therapeutic range of fentanyl which didn’t result in OD and Floyd’s level was within the therapeutic range which is probably why OD isn’t listed as a cause of death.
https://watermark.silverchair.com/bks005.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAApwwggKYBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggKJMIIChQIBADCCAn4GCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMn65zHMC-YO-nN-ioAgEQgIICTxl9i-Gc1UGlw5kbwR_GIVER6LD_Hj1y0axEkH4m3Mi_Y6zq3In5MHL8xxUAPEndnovdMKcc26e6THzYB-rDieLawCvSQa7hYam1jddK99-JO4NPzHAqRWu6NupDpLPbACvM22Ov90X7ESaidQ-JJOZDPc7L4GvDKJVXlYbftqa0Hgx_rox7O4yBtwlltttDR2FyIZW2XlBoEnPjuZGTaEOy3Fo2TGMgyxOiJeL8bjQaJl-gMYlvWX-1cnTP-3ry9EZo3KDl1G676Y-QBCeCJtqslAv25-5SPjIKhV1SVudpIXzELpV9bawO3RyarNxObOMbsXb9iQ_yiWy5W8I_jbwyej9Hzv-wv2IKiKEDUMc7sQibMPco9WJfyFkaLLDy4Z0lPFXcc3KtxjQSOElmh4HRgeIKf-GRwhdQpqQZ6FAEBedL3nQGGGoJyCb7sFZdiPAMqxau_EDx1kMX1faJXkV7wty8xz2dYqnOcm9KS4v-Nub5tFH9DTzsda-y3e9YxHGWRm7Pf4FOHejZlFTIN1tOSeu1Ct71oIEArKwnl5RMcSFcQ_u9NAwtwLZ2Feurk-Slwo4wn3U9ShHyoPYE37lIgDdi2Pq4X5q3bo4jMLRF4oDvxXMJQkUIXrfNTtUs2ls_kocidrBwq_L68S0oNJgXuJ0Eae6oq-Xvf3o1v_KMve3fXmArriyYqpqA14bewzXOtcXukh3X9_2Vt51D8zZKVbSOngSS-XVxMyMPzjjOTg_1ppL41tzpAkWfc5jm4LS2Yb4TD4RmcbYfVagMWA
6) They absolutely weren’t doing everything they could. Recommendations to contain the spread included testing and contact tracing. Tests were always in short supply despite a commercially available tests which was available in January which they didn’t approve for use until late March or April. Just one example. If you can’t test the over 8,000 people you let in from China despite “banning” them from entering the country then you should quarantine them. The travel ban failed. They failed to test adequately. They failed to quarantine adequately. In the military, this is what is known as a goat **** because they left SNAFU, FUBAR, and goat rope in the rear view mirror on their way to a full blown cluster **** of epic proportions you only see once a century.
Oh, i'm sorry, I thought it would make it easier to read.
On the disinfectant thing. I'm not defending his choice of words at all, it was stupid, but I do not believe the narrative critics were trying to push either. This also proves there are some pretty, um, "simple" people out there. I don't say that to be mean. It's just that my 9 yr old and 12 yr old would know not to do that.
On the Floyd thing. I'll have to re-watch the video. From what I remember seeing was Floyd partially in the car resisting and saying he was claustrophobic, so they let him back out. Were they showing compassion for him? I don't know. Autopsy said he had 11mg fentanyl in his system and that they have pronounced OD with as little as 3mg before. I re-read the report and you are correct that they did rule homicide with contributing factors being fentanyl and heart disease with one artery clogged 75%. Don't get me wrong, I am not defending Chauvin on this. That dude is a piece of s@!t who should have been fired long ago. The one thing that can't be argued though, in any of these cases (minus Taylor) is that if the suspect cooperates with the police they are all still alive today.
The other problem I have with all this race charged rhetoric around all of these different police shootings is that there is zero proof any of them were race related. There is speculation, emotion, feelings, assumptions, etc., but no proof of any kind that race played any role in what happened.
On the Covid thing. Really, it is hard to argue either way whether the Trump administration did everything they could. There is a lot of noise from the media and critics of Trump and a lot of positives from his supporters and friendly media. On it's face what you said would appear to make it look like they did not do everything they could, but you would have to research and examine each situation to get a true picture. His critics were also not helping calling the Prez a racist and xenophobe for the travel ban.
Everybody says Trump did a bad job with Covid response not realizing or ignoring that there is huge amounts of info coming from all angles from many different sources during an unprecedented time. There is so much more to just saying any Prez didn't do a good job in a certain situation and common people like us will never be able to know the ins and outs of what happened to make a fair assessment.
On top of all that, my own personal opinion is that Covid was massively overblown once the Dems realized it could hurt Trump in the election if the economy was down and people were distressed. Just my opinion, but before Covid, Trump was cruising to an easy victory with the strong economy and record low unemployment. The polls showed people were very happy with the direction of the Country. So politics adds a whole nother level to the "did he handle Covid properly" debate. There is just way to much going on from to many different levels to ever truly know what the correct answer is.
