09-16-2020, 11:18 AM
(09-16-2020, 09:09 AM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Oh, i'm sorry, I thought it would make it easier to read.
It was easy to read, but more difficult to respond.
Quote:On the disinfectant thing. I'm not defending his choice of words at all, it was stupid, but I do not believe the narrative critics were trying to push either. This also proves there are some pretty, um, "simple" people out there. I don't say that to be mean. It's just that my 9 yr old and 12 yr old would know not to do that.
Except I’m not pushing a narrative by critics I’m telling you what I saw with my own eyes. I also see a pattern of you making excuses for what he said. ‘He didn’t mean it.’ ‘People are dumb for listening to the President.’
Here’s the thing, his critics aren’t pushing a “narrative,” they’re telling the truth on this one. This is an easy one that anyone with eyes and ears should be able to agree upon.
Quote:On the Floyd thing. I'll have to re-watch the video. From what I remember seeing was Floyd partially in the car resisting and saying he was claustrophobic, so they let him back out. Were they showing compassion for him? I don't know. Autopsy said he had 11mg fentanyl in his system and that they have pronounced OD with as little as 3mg before. I re-read the report and you are correct that they did rule homicide with contributing factors being fentanyl and heart disease with one artery clogged 75%. Don't get me wrong, I am not defending Chauvin on this. That dude is a piece of s@!t who should have been fired long ago. The one thing that can't be argued though, in any of these cases (minus Taylor) is that if the suspect cooperates with the police they are all still alive today.
Floyd said he was claustrophobic before he was in the vehicle and yet they wrestled him in the vehicle despite his protests. They didn’t care he claimed to be claustrophobic or they wouldn’t have wrestled him into the vehicle to begin with. Despite Floyd’s uncooperative behavior he was in the vehicle before the police removed him from the vehicle. If the police don’t remove Floyd from the vehicle then Chauvin wouldn’t kneel on his neck until he kills him. If any of Chauvin’s fellow officers intervene in Chauvin killing Floyd then naturally Floyd wouldn’t have been killed, either. So it can absolutely be argued Floyd should be alive today despite resisting. Furthermore, there is a reasonable expectation police will encounter multiple suspects who will resist arrest over the course of their careers so it is also reasonable to expect police should be trained well enough not to kill people when they do resist.
Quote:The other problem I have with all this race charged rhetoric around all of these different police shootings is that there is zero proof any of them were race related. There is speculation, emotion, feelings, assumptions, etc., but no proof of any kind that race played any role in what happened.
You have no proof your uneducated opinion of getting rid of current pandemic mitigation strategies and opening fully is a better strategy than Dr. Fauci’s educated opinion on disease prevention and public health, yet you still believe your opinion despite a complete dearth of any evidence.
So I’m going to have to ask you to remain consistent in your arguments. You don’t get to ask for evidence when you like, but refuse to provide evidence when it is asked of you.
Conversely, if you expect to be believed without evidence then you will have to believe others without evidence. You don’t get to have your cake and it it , too.
Quote:On the Covid thing. Really, it is hard to argue either way whether the Trump administration did everything they could. There is a lot of noise from the media and critics of Trump and a lot of positives from his supporters and friendly media. On it's face what you said would appear to make it look like they did not do everything they could, but you would have to research and examine each situation to get a true picture. His critics were also not helping calling the Prez a racist and xenophobe for the travel ban.
No, it’s not hard to argue. I presented you a simple example and you’re making excuses. A recommendation from the beginning was test, isolate, contact trace. They did a poor job of that. Travel bans aren’t recommended and they did a poor job with that letting thousands in directly from China. The approached it ass backwards.
Quote:Everybody says Trump did a bad job with Covid response not realizing or ignoring that there is huge amounts of info coming from all angles from many different sources during an unprecedented time. There is so much more to just saying any Prez didn't do a good job in a certain situation and common people like us will never be able to know the ins and outs of what happened to make a fair assessment.
On top of all that, my own personal opinion is that Covid was massively overblown once the Dems realized it could hurt Trump in the election if the economy was down and people were distressed. Just my opinion, but before Covid, Trump was cruising to an easy victory with the strong economy and record low unemployment. The polls showed people were very happy with the direction of the Country. So politics adds a whole nother level to the "did he handle Covid properly" debate. There is just way to much going on from to many different levels to ever truly know what the correct answer is.
Need I remind you Trump was publicly telling Americans the China virus was a Democrat hoax in February while privately admitting to Bob Woodward he was lying?
That’s the definition of making it political while failing in your duty as President during a national (not state) crisis.
