A SCOTUS Opening

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(10-27-2020, 11:34 AM)PhilHos Wrote: It's not. But calling ACB a 'handmaiden' in reference to The Handmaid's Tale is. 


Are you actually suggesting it's ok to be sexist towards someone if they're in a cult? Really? 


Being in a cult is a valid criticism if you can point out if said cult is indeed prolbematic. Being sexist towards someone is not no matter they're religious affiliation.



Again, it's okay to be sexist because someone is in a cult? 

I think I'm done here. I cannot believe that there is anyone that thinks sexism is okay as long as the victim is a part of a cult. 

Here's the sense that I've gotten from this conversation. You can tell me if I'm off base.


ACB is part of a religious group that has reports of being a cult rather than a genuine religious group, that is indoctrinating its women to be subservient to men, especially their husbands and fathers, in an effort to control them. 

This religious group was one of the bases for a story about a dystopian future in which this group's beliefs are taken to their most extreme point, where women are actual slaves used to breed rather than live in any kind of free society.

This dystopian story uses terminology similar to the real world group to increase the relations between them.
A member of this group is nominated for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court and her involvement with this purported cult is brought up as a negative.

You, Philhos, being a religious man and someone who believes religion, especially Judeo-Christian religions, are unfairly compared to cults far too often, became defensive when these accusations were levied at ACB and her religious group. You see her group and, without knowing what they do or how they function (by your own admission), took the position that they should be given the benefit of the doubt that they are not a cult unless there is inextricable evidence to the contrary. You are taking this position due to your previous experiences of your own religion and beliefs being associated with cult like beliefs, so you are sympathetic to the situation she and her group are in.

When someone who is not as willing to give this benefit of the doubt as you are comes in and accuses her of being in a cult and calling her a hand maid (a term used both in real life and in the dystopian story), you took that as a sexist insult because you know that the story is portraying that religious group in an extremely negative way so associating her with that story would be a very heavy condemnation of her religious beliefs.

From this association, I completely understand where you believe the anti-religious sentiment comes from. 

But I still, for the life of me, cannot understand what you believe is sexist about this accusation. I really can't. Is just the word being coded female sexist to you? Like, the fact that they used a term that refers to women in the group and story, is that the sexist part? I genuinely don't know. I'm not trying to sea lion you or try to disingenuously misrepresent your argument. I just can't make logical heads or tails of what you find sexist about calling someone in a group that is associated with cultish behavior and has a story based on them in which women are enslaved by the name that is used for the women in those scenarios.

I'm happy to continue this conversation if you're willing, but I recognize that's not likely.