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(11-02-2015, 02:34 PM)bfine32 Wrote: ..and there inlies the fundemental difference. There are those that suggest that a forum that has the propensity to turn personal and toxic requires no moderation and should be allowed to fester, while there are others that feel such a forum requires stiffer moderation to keep conversations out of the gutter.

Just because the decision can be complicated doesn't mean it is one that shouldn't be made. If you cannot refrain from calling others names then you need to find somewhere else to discuss politics and religion.

Here is the point you are missing.  It is IMPOSSIBLE to separate the poster from the post when the poster says that the only basis for his position is his "own personal beliefs".

When a person says "This is right just because I believe it is right" then how can you attack that belief without attacking the person?

And when it comes to religion and politics this is the way many people think.  Political beliefs are just as strong as religious beliefs for many people.  You may not believe it, but it is true.  Political discussions are always influenced by a persons own closely held beliefs.  That is exactly why "politics and religion" are such hot button issues for discussion.  And that is not just here.  That is everywhere.  

I agree with people who refuse to discuss religion at places like work and family gatherings.  they know it could lead to an ugly conflict.  But that is exactly why I like this place so much.  I can have an open conversation without having to worry about hurting anyone's feelings.