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The big 3 is the problem
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(11-09-2017, 12:37 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I feel that the order of problems regarding those "Top 3" go like:
1) Front Office/ownership
2) Coaching
3) QB

The FO/ownership decides contracts, who to bring in, who to let go, etc. (Some of) the coaches definitely have some say in those things, but ultimately they aren't driving the ship. It was the FO/ownership who decided to let the good OL leave and not offer enough to keep those players here, and the team and the fans are stuck with a terrible OL. FO/ownership is also the most accountable for such a small scouting department that the coaches are expected to also do this role on top of their normal role. That's a lot to put on a coach to also be a scout.

The coaching though is then responsible for developing the talent on the team, and certain coaches have really been dropping the ball for awhile. The most obvious is Paul Alexander. The Bengals haven't drafted a good OL since Kevin Zeitler in 2012, which was five years ago. Now due to the FO/ownership's trust that the coaches would do the necessary to get these players coached up to be good, they've all but buried any chance of success (for this year anyway).

Now onto Dalton. The only negative I'll say about him is he's not a top 10 QB. He depends on having certain pieces around him, but he can get the Bengals deep in the playoffs if certain pieces are available to help him through the whole year. Last year and especially this year, he hasn't had that. He's not able to make plays happen with a shotty OL and/or no-name receivers.

If this franchise is going to turn around, it needs a philosophy change by the FO/ownership first and foremost. That then needs to trickle down to better coaches, and lastly to a better QB (potentially).

Yeah...2-3-4 years ago, and not winning a playoff game, I'd say the problem was coaching then.

Going into an offseason where we know the offensive line had issues, then letting the 2 best guys go...that's on Management. It's on Management for keeping Alexander too.

I think the biggest problem areas can shift.
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RE: The big 3 is the problem - TSwigZ - 11-09-2017, 04:50 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Stonyhands - 11-10-2017, 08:16 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Nately120 - 11-10-2017, 08:32 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Stonyhands - 11-10-2017, 09:07 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 10:47 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Bengalboy - 11-09-2017, 07:31 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bengalfan74 - 11-09-2017, 12:27 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-09-2017, 09:04 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 12:23 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 12:46 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 01:02 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Bengalholic - 11-11-2017, 12:57 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 01:04 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Bengalholic - 11-11-2017, 01:13 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 01:29 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Bengalholic - 11-11-2017, 01:51 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-11-2017, 02:05 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - rfaulk34 - 11-11-2017, 11:16 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bengalfan74 - 11-11-2017, 01:55 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 02:16 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Bengalholic - 11-11-2017, 02:44 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 02:53 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-11-2017, 02:56 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 03:11 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-11-2017, 03:13 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 03:35 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Bengalholic - 11-11-2017, 03:32 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 03:58 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-11-2017, 04:07 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 04:15 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-11-2017, 04:45 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 04:55 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-11-2017, 05:01 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Bengalholic - 11-11-2017, 04:44 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-11-2017, 02:51 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - THE PISTONS - 11-09-2017, 12:29 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Nately120 - 11-10-2017, 11:47 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - THE PISTONS - 11-11-2017, 12:29 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Bengalholic - 11-11-2017, 01:27 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - ochocincos - 11-09-2017, 12:37 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - THE PISTONS - 11-09-2017, 12:44 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - muskiesfan - 11-09-2017, 03:59 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Steve - 11-10-2017, 10:07 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - THE PISTONS - 11-10-2017, 02:12 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Nately120 - 11-09-2017, 04:06 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - muskiesfan - 11-09-2017, 06:32 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - sandwedge - 11-09-2017, 07:14 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-10-2017, 08:41 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - PhilHos - 11-10-2017, 12:27 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - PhilHos - 11-10-2017, 07:26 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-10-2017, 07:51 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-10-2017, 01:48 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Joelist - 11-10-2017, 02:38 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Mer - 11-10-2017, 10:07 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Joelist - 11-11-2017, 01:48 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-11-2017, 11:00 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 01:25 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - CornerBlitz - 11-11-2017, 01:49 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-11-2017, 02:34 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-11-2017, 03:06 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-11-2017, 03:31 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-11-2017, 04:40 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-11-2017, 04:45 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Bengalholic - 11-11-2017, 05:00 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - CornerBlitz - 11-11-2017, 05:58 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-11-2017, 06:49 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Bengalholic - 11-11-2017, 07:56 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-11-2017, 08:25 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - CornerBlitz - 11-11-2017, 09:21 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bengalfan74 - 11-11-2017, 09:26 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - CornerBlitz - 11-11-2017, 09:49 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Bengalholic - 11-11-2017, 10:38 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-11-2017, 09:40 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - CornerBlitz - 11-11-2017, 09:50 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-11-2017, 09:58 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - CornerBlitz - 11-11-2017, 10:00 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-11-2017, 10:05 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 10:20 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-11-2017, 10:32 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 10:39 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-11-2017, 10:53 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 10:58 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-11-2017, 11:08 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 11:20 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-11-2017, 11:27 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-12-2017, 11:30 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - rfaulk34 - 11-11-2017, 11:25 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - rfaulk34 - 11-12-2017, 09:55 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - THE PISTONS - 11-12-2017, 12:12 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 08:59 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Bengalholic - 11-11-2017, 09:07 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bengalfan74 - 11-11-2017, 09:02 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-11-2017, 03:07 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Synric - 11-11-2017, 03:38 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-11-2017, 06:41 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-11-2017, 03:45 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-11-2017, 04:33 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 03:11 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-11-2017, 03:31 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - jason - 11-11-2017, 03:35 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - CornerBlitz - 11-11-2017, 06:09 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - THE PISTONS - 11-12-2017, 12:57 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - THE PISTONS - 11-12-2017, 01:37 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - THE PISTONS - 11-12-2017, 01:38 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - PhilHos - 11-14-2017, 02:57 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-15-2017, 03:51 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - muskiesfan - 11-15-2017, 05:32 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-15-2017, 05:50 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - PhilHos - 11-15-2017, 05:51 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-15-2017, 05:55 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-15-2017, 06:05 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Bengalitis - 11-13-2017, 01:03 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Rattler - 11-13-2017, 01:19 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - Aquapod770 - 11-13-2017, 01:20 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - grampahol - 11-15-2017, 06:20 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - muskiesfan - 11-16-2017, 09:22 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - PhilHos - 11-16-2017, 12:03 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - THE PISTONS - 11-16-2017, 11:20 AM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - rfaulk34 - 11-16-2017, 04:59 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-16-2017, 03:49 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - PhilHos - 11-16-2017, 03:51 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-16-2017, 03:55 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - PhilHos - 11-16-2017, 04:22 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-16-2017, 04:25 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - PhilHos - 11-16-2017, 04:45 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - PhilHos - 11-16-2017, 04:55 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-16-2017, 04:57 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - rfaulk34 - 11-16-2017, 05:07 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - rfaulk34 - 11-16-2017, 05:06 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-16-2017, 09:11 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - bfine32 - 11-16-2017, 09:53 PM
RE: The big 3 is the problem - McC - 11-17-2017, 08:27 AM
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