Ranking All NFL Teams 5-year Success by Draft Class

[Shake n Blake]

(11-22-2017, 11:58 AM)Hoofhearted Wrote: Outside the '15 draft, they haven't been terrible. Not great, but not terrible.

'12 they hit on 5 picks; Dre, Z, Sanu, Mo Jones, Iloka highlight this draft.
'13 they hit on roughly 4-5 picks; Eifert, Gio, and to a lesser extent, Shawn Williams, Rex.
'14 they hit on roughly 4 picks; Dennard, Hill, Blodine, AJ, and to a lesser extent Clarke.
'15 they totally whiffed outside backup players Kroft, Uzomah, and Shaw.
'16 They hit on roughly 2 players; WJIII & Boyd, and to a lesser extent Vigil, Core, and Fej
'17 seems to hit on 2-3 players, but of course to early to really tell; Mixon, Lawson, Willis all seem to have good promise.

So the '15 and '16 draft derailed alot of the momentum we had going post AD & AJ era.

Some of these are pretty weak "hits" to me. None wound up being foundational players. 1 pro-bowler (Eifert) who has missed 41 of 80 games.

Major hits: 

None

Filled a starter spot for awhile, played well but not a huge difference-maker: 


Lawson (I could see him potentially moving up)
DreKirk
Zeitler
Marv Jones
Mo Sanu
Iloka
Gio
Williams
Kroft
Vigil
Dennard


Too early to tell or they weren't on the field enough to make an impact:

WJIII
Lawson
Willis
Burkhead
McCarron
Fej


Injured too much:


Eifert


Sucks (starters that suck get an asterisk):


Hill (unfortunately due to line issues, I have to throw him here. I think Hill is solid, but his 3.6 YPC since 2014 is bad)*
Mixon (Same deal as Hill. He's not making any impact due to the line)*
Blodine*
Ogbuehi*
Fisher*
Core
Uzomah
Boyd
Dawson
Clarke
Margus Hunt
Sean Porter
Still
Thompson
Orson Charles

(11-22-2017, 01:24 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: Love you, man, but I couldn't disagree more.  This is 100% on the current coaching staff.  When the talented coaches left our roster, our team failed.  With just good coaches, this team is a perennial playoff team.  With great coaching, they could contend for a title.  Yep, even with Ogbuehi.  

It isn't the players that have left.  It is the coaches that left and left us with Marv....he sucks ass big time.  

I can't say it's 100% on the coaching when we drafted 3-4 guys that are failing in historically bad fashion on the o-line. I think Belichick would struggle to make this offense look good with Ogbuehi-Boling-Bodine-Hopkins-Fisher up front. Now that's not me letting the coaches off the hook by any stretch. They wanted these guys, and they're mostly the same coaches that are permanently 0 for forever in the playoffs. 

I do think Marv would have this team at 10-6 with a proper line...but he has to be at fault for the state of the line as well as the playoff/prime-time/Steelers struggles. It's time for everyone to go.

(11-22-2017, 04:42 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yes...EVERY single Steelers starter on offense is better than the Bengals equivalent. Even Brown over AJ Green.

I'd take Kroft over Jesse James, and Green/Brown is a wash to me, Plus Dalton is outplaying Ben this year... but agree on the rest.