12-28-2023, 02:03 PM
(12-28-2023, 01:39 PM)Dill Wrote: I'm a little late getting back to this, but I have a couple of points worth making:
1. Though you may not see that far down the line, your mention-of-IDF-war-crimes-equates-them-with-Hamas formula paints you into a corner.
It doesn't.
Quote:2. It is predicated on the claim the IDF does not intentionally kill civilians. But it has a history of doing that, and of being accused of doing so by reputable
witnesses and organizations--including Israeli human rights organizations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes
In the current conflict, we already see "allegations" of summary execution coming in which align with the aforementioned history.
E.g. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-grandfather-describes-killing-his-family-by-israeli-soldiers-2023-12-18/ and
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/un-human-rights-office-opt-unlawful-killings-gaza-city
With all that rock solid evidence I'm amazed the trial hasn't started in The Hauge already.
Quote:3. Your framing of civilian deaths as "engineered" by Hamas or something which only occurs when IDF soldiers "mistake" civilians for combatants does not
explain or legitimate the execution of surrendered civilians and combatants. Hamas cannot be the "cause" of a record of war crimes going back over 70
years. Attributing reports of war crimes to "Hamas propaganda" is the job of IDF spokespersons, but few international organizations will go along with it.
Many Israeli journalists will not either.
Yeah, it does, as I've already explained and you ignore.
Quote:4. By claiming that mention-of-IDF-war-crimes-equates-them-with-Hamas on the assumption that they don't commit war crimes, you've set up a
conditional argument (modus ponens) under which the IDF must NECESSARILY be equated with Hamas if it comes out that the IDF does commit war
crimes.
No, making the claim is what does that. When you have actual hard evidence that the IDF knowingly and intentionally inflicts avoidable civilian casualties let us know. Until then I will reiterate that anyone attempting to draw parallels between the IDF and the murdering, torturing, rapist dogs of Hamas is an apologist for terrorists. Still cluttering a thread about the hostages with your garbage, btw. Do use the megathread to promote your pro-terrorist clap trap.
