The big 3 is the problem

[Shake n Blake]

(11-11-2017, 06:15 AM)bengalsturntup5532 Wrote: 1. I'm not big on stats,because in football it doesn't tell the whole story. 2. When you are a starter in the national football league you will accumulate some stats over time . 3. I looked up some I think last year where,Tony Romo and Ryan tannahill and some others had nice stat years. But it doesn't tell the whole story. Here's one I looked up being funny in my group ,because I have people in my group that's die hard Dalton supporters and they always bring up the STATS. 4. Here's one this year Alex Smith is #1 in qb rating ahead of #2 tom Brady. 5.  Now who would you bet on kc vs the pats? I would think Brady would be the favorite  Alex Smith has 0 rings. 6. I looked up 2013 qb rating because 2013 was a good year for us and Dalton during the regular season. Josh MCCOWN was #1 Lol Jay Cutler was #4 , Dalton was like #19. Yes I would say Dalton is better then those two,but still isn't good enough to really win. Nick foles was on that list in the top ten and I don't even think he's starting anymore. 

7. Now that's just qb rating because I do hear qb rating a lot when it comes to Dalton after his decent games that turn into wins. Now if you want to get into passing yards and attempts , that gets more complicated, because it can just be the scheme and the play calling,or if your team is down and have to come back . Or you can pick up garbage time stats .it all plays together. This is why I'm usually not a stat person. But people go by it like it's the bible of sports. Baseball is more of a stat line game then football to me with the batting averages. 

8. Furthermore about Daltons deep ball ,has he connected deep balls in his time of course. But there is times he sucks at it like this season just last game he sailed,not just one,but they tried 3 times going deep,all 3 were overthrown. Beginning of the season he missed Cody core twice in the same game ,then they took Cody core out for Daltons short comings. 

9. Do I think McCarron is the answer , I don't know I'm not saying he is for sure he has a slower release and holds the ball longer then Dalton and he's better at footwork and scanning but he don't throw as fast as Andy and when I watched him last time he plays it to safe sometimes and holds it. Also not as mobile as Andy. I would like to see him 2-3 games and how things would look with this certain team compared to Andy. 

Like I said to you before, Andy's strengths are fast get the ball out quick passes ,predetermined throws like the greenbay game they came out with that game plan. But every oc we have had asks him to do his weakness and that's drop back and scan and be a true pocket passer. The past two games they put him under center and are using playaction and wanting him to sit back and make reads. This isn't his strong suit I'm telling you. That's more aj McCarron game.plus the accuracy on the long ball has not been there for Dalton this year. His accuracy has been pretty poor this year.

1. You're right, they don't. Biased opinions of what we saw don't tell the whole story either. We all have a bias, whether we want to admit it or not. Stats are subjective. Some "see" stuff that just isn't happening.

2. Career stats? Sure. Season stats? No. A good season is a good season. Efficiency stats aren't improved by playing a long time, either.

3. Do you look at actual performance or reputation? It seems reputation has a heavy influence on you. Tannehill and especially Romo had some great seasons.

4. Alex Smith is having a better season than Tom Brady. I'd take Smith over Brady in 2017. Just this year. Smith is playing lights out. Again, seems you're only looking at reputations (i.e. Smith sucks and Brady is the awesomest QB evah).

5. The Chiefs beat the Patriots 42-27 in Foxboro this year. Primarily due to the play of Alex Smith.

6. Nick Foles led the league in passer rating in 2013, not McCown. Dalton was 15th, not 19th. Cutler finished 13th, not 4th. http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2013
Passer rating isn't the only stat you can look at though. Dalton had 4300 yards and 33 TD's that year, setting franchise records in both categories. I'm not sure what your point is with Nick Foles not starting anymore. He was a flash in the pan. It happens all the time. This doesn't make his 2013 season any less fantastic. Nor is it a good comparison for Dalton, who has proven to have staying power in this league.

7. Scheme and playcalling is always subjective, but I doubt many would claim Dalton has had great coaching through his career. He also hasn't had the benefit of garbage-time stat padding, as he's (mostly) been on the winning end. Plus Marv is uber-conservative with a lead, which actually hurts Dalton's stats. Look...nobody is claiming stats are a flawless way of judging a player, but I'll take them over someone's opinion...especially when Dalton has been in the league for 7 years. Stats become more of a concrete way to judge a career as the years pile up.

Foles having a fluke year is one thing...if he had played 7 years with good/great stats, no one would be laughing.

8. Dalton is having a bit of a down year with the deep ball. I acknowledge that. People have been ripping Dalton's deep ball since the beginning though. People heard some say his arm was weak, and it all snowballed from there. Now it's all reputation. You'd think Big Ben with his big arm would have better deep ball stats...right?

Andy since 2012 (when ESPN started tracking these stats) on throws over 30 yards (through the air):

43/125 (34.4%)
16 TDs to 6 INTs
2089 yards
102.4 rating

Ben since 2012 on the same throws:

45/171 (26.3%)
20 TDs to 13 INTs
2156 yards
86.5 rating

9. We'll just have to disagree. What I saw of McCarron, he wasn't scanning the field any more than Dalton. If you watch these highlights, he was always throwing to the first guy he looked at:





That's been our offense. Read the defense pre-snap and figure out the best option then, rather than scanning the field after snap. Scanning only happens when the primary (not always AJ Green) is covered or gets bumped off his route. If anything, the quick time-to-throw for Dalton proves he's better at scanning the field than McCarron. They both primarily make a lot of predetermined throws based on pre-snap reads. 

Mac took sacks at a much higher rate and held the ball longer because he needed more time to scan the field when things broke down, IMO. It could also mean that he's more easily confused than Dalton.

Apologies for the novel. Hopefully someone actually took the time to read it all.