The QB position

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(05-10-2018, 07:41 AM)CornerBlitz Wrote: Since you guys hate the QBR because it makes Andy Dalton look bad I decided to go with QB rating. Again he was average to below average every season with the exception of 2015 the last 5 seasons.

2013-15th
2014-25th
2015-2nd 12 games only
2016-17th
2017-17th

Essentially, if you take out a 10 game stretch in 2015, many can conclude that he has been an average to below average QB based upon even the rating systems such as QBR and QB rating.  If you include the 10 game stretch which you should, it leads almost everyone to believe that he's been average.

You want to argue go right ahead......but facts are facts.

Now can anyone in their right mind answer this question for me objectively. Why is it that almost everybody in the world rates Andy Dalton at the "Average" level outside of Cincinnati?  Is it because everyone hates Andy Dalton? Is it because the Bengals are in a small market team?  Hmm....but then why do players like Atkins and AJ Green get the earned recognition?  Again, some of you are not being objective when it comes to Andy Dalton......it is what it is.

Strawman (bolded) aside, you're finally starting to use actual facts to back up your claim (though you still throw in non-facts like "everybody in the world's" opinion, but at least you're starting to focus on a legitimate stat to back up your claim, so kudos for doing so.

However, both fred and Shake have addressed that the reason most view Dalton higher than you is not because of one stat. It's a culmination of things. Here, they both said it very well:

(05-09-2018, 04:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Well I think this has been beaten to death again.  So I will post the stats that I try to end with.  I think these say more About Dalton than any thing else.

Since Dalton arrived in 2011 only 4 QBs have more games with a passer rating over 125 than Dalton's 14 (Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Ryan)

Since Dalton arrived in 2011 only 4 QBs have more games with a passer rating under 60 than Dalton's 13.

When he is good he is better than a lot of people want to admit.  At his best he is among the very best.

But when he is bad he is total crap.

Dalton does not need to get a lot better.  He just needs to get more consistent.  Stop laying so many eggs.  A team can overcome a QB having a below average game (70's) but its tough when your QBs passer rating is in the 50's.

Dalton has a .646 win percentage with a rating over 60 (61-33-2) but only .153 (2-11) under 60.

Fred is exactly right. Dalton's biggest problem isn't that he's bad or that he's average. It's that he is prone to inconsistency and when he's bad, he can be REALLY bad. It's a testament to how good he is that his stats level out to average-to-above-average considering how bad his bad games are.

And here's Shake with the knock-out punch:

(05-09-2018, 05:41 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I don't form my opinion on Dalton solely on that season though. 

- I look at 2012, when he posted 31 total TD's and had the 13th best passer rating.
- I look at 2013, when he broke Bengals records for yards (4293) and passing TDs (33) with 35 total.
- I look at 2014, when despite poor overall season numbers (due to the 2.0 game and a flu game), he led the team to a sweep of the Ravens and a 3-1-1 record without AJ Green.
- I look at 2016, when he went for 4000 and a 91.8 rating despite getting battered. 
- I look at the 63-44-2 record as starter.
- I look at 4 seasons where he was 15th in passer rating or better (always among 35-40+ passers, not 32 as people mistakenly assume)
- I look at his career rating being among the better in the league, regardless of how you want to slice it up.
- I look at his low fumble/turnover rate.
- I look at his impressive deep ball numbers. 
- I look at how he turned around his own prime-time performance, but we're still losing.
- I look at how 3 other QB's have all been terrible in their playoff games and come away feeling Dalton (like so many others) has been wasted.