05-11-2018, 01:18 PM
(05-11-2018, 11:09 AM)BengalChris Wrote: Just blame Mike Brown, that's what I do. Marvin Lewis' unprecedented tenure without actually winning anything is all on Mike Brown. Marvin Lewis' playoff record as head coach is 0-7, worst in NFL history.
Having a QB with an 0-4 playoff record (tied for worse in NFL history in case anyone cared) who put up 1 TD, 6 INTs and 4 FUMs in those four games is absolutely dismal by any standards at all.
It all comes down to what is acceptable Mike Brown.
Could you imagine NE's Robert Kraft accepting these two guys? Even for two seasons? Laughable!
Next we'll hear how Dalton has gone most of his career with no supporting cast (which is a complete and total lie, of course). Then there will be excuse after excuse and just for good measure, some more excuses.
All I have to say about that is you don't hear that kind of stuff from Bill Belicheck or Robert Kraft or Tom Brady.
I'll never understand the logic of blaming Marvin for 0-7, but also holding Dalton accountable for 0-4. If you think we're losing because Marv is doing something wrong, wouldn't that also affect Dalton?
Aren't our other QB's 0-3 with a 59.6 rating overall? Marv can't set any QB up to play well. He also can't coach the rest of the team to play well.
I saved this old post and feel it fits pretty well here:
Quote:I get what you're saying and if we don't want to use Brady, I think there might be another example or 1,378 of a team overcoming a turnover or 2 in the playoffs. Maybe even more turnovers than that. Many teams have won games with a dominant rushing attack (150-200+ yards) or maybe forcing multiple turnovers themselves.
Pig Ben has won playoff games with these performances:
9/21 (42.9%) 123 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT (22.6 rating)
10/19 (52.6%) 133 yards, 0 TD, 2 INT (35.5 rating)
17/30 (56.7%) 181 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT (57.8 rating)
20/31 (64.5%) 224 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT (72.5 rating)
These are Ben's 4 worst playoff games, by passer rating. Yet his team went 4-0 in these games. Compare these stats to Dalton... or Merv's non-Dalton playoff QB's:
Ben: 56/101 (55.4%) - 165.3 yards per game - 1 TD to 7 INTs (50.0 rating) --- team went 4-0
Andy: 88/158 (55.7%) - 218.3 yards per game - 1 TD to 6 INTs (57.8 rating) --- team went 0-4 <---Notice the difference in attempts vs Ben
Non-Andy: 61/117 (52.1%) - 185.0 yards per game - 3 TDs to 4 INTs (59.6 rating) --- team went 0-3 <--- Still too many attempts
Now how did Ben go 4-0 in these games when he played even worse than our guys? Here's how:
The Steelers rushed for an average of 178 yards in these games, on 4.6 YPC. They limited opponents to 15.5 points per game, forcing 5 turnovers in 4 games.
The Bengals rushed for an average of 103.4 yards in these games, on 4.9 YPC. They limited opponents to to 25.1 points per game, forcing 4 turnovers in 7 games.
When our QB's struggle (they always do), we respond by putting more on their plate. When Ben has struggled, the Steelers respond by pounding the football upwards of 35-40+ times per game. They play sound defense, we don't. They force turnovers. We don't.
Marvin can't get anyone to play well in the playoffs. Poor Andy is just a cog in a wheel that's been turning for 15 years.
(05-11-2018, 12:28 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: maybe because the only time he's played at a high level was in 2015 for a whopping 8 games. ..
When did Dalton's 2015 season get shortened to 8 games?
He played 12 full games that year, with only 2 games with a rating under 95.6.
The training, nutrition, medicine, fitness, playbooks and rules evolve. The athlete does not.
