09-11-2015, 08:43 AM
(09-11-2015, 07:41 AM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Custom dictates that you lose me at 'Gregg Rosenthal'.
I happily adhere to that custom.
Yeah, I always get a lot of "Rosenthal is an idiot", "he's a Steelers homer", etc. when I post these, but it usually turns out to be quite a bit of debate and not just about Andy either. I'm not the biggest fan in the world of his lists, and I don't even know a lot about Rosenthal to begin with, he just happens to be one of the only guys on a major network that puts out QB rankings regularly.
(09-11-2015, 07:55 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: Well that's only because Dalton has good regular season stats too. Flacco has had good playoff games last year, and a great run a couple of years ago, but let's not fool ourselves here. Flacco only had above 25 TDs once in his 7 year career. Flacco has never had more than 4000 yards once in his career, and Flacco has had more INTs than TDs one year. Personally just because Flacco had an amazing run in the playoffs one year doesn't make him better than other QBs.
It's not just one year though.
The Ravens have missed the playoffs one time since Flacco has been QB of the team. I completely understand that they had a great run game and defense in the past, and it's not like Flacco led them there by himself. Is it a coincidence that the only year they missed the playoffs was when Flacco had a terrible season though? I think that must say something, even if it doesn't mean a whole lot.
Let's not pretend his regular seasons have been awful either. He threw for 14 yards under 4,000 last year and he just had 27 passing TDs (29 total) in that same year. Shouldn't the most recent year be pretty important in current rankings?
Since 2010 in the playoffs, Joe is 196/327 with 2,563 yards, and a 24/4 TD/INT ratio. His Super Bowl run didn't skew these numbers either, in the 10 games included, he only had 1 bad game out of all of them. These were games played with the bright lights on against playoff teams.
If you want to talk about regular season volume stats, here they are for both of their careers...
Joe - 3,647 yards, 21.14 TDs, 12.85 INTs
Andy - 3,689 yards, 24.75 TDs, 16.5 INTs
Are those numbers really so far off that you can't give Flacco the edge for what he's done when it really counts since 2010? I dunno man, I don't think you're being too fair about this. You're bashing Flacco for "just one year" (even though he's done it more than one), while you're essentially anointing Andy higher than him for having ONE good year himself and we all know that Andy hasn't been great in the playoffs in his entire career. That could change, and Andy could be a top 5 QB in the league for all we know, I'm not going to pretend that it's impossible for him to improve, I'm actually on record saying that I think the guy has a career year in 2015.
As of right now, with everything considered, I can't see how anybody can say with a straight face that Andy Dalton deserves a higher ranking than Joe Flacco.
