04-13-2019, 08:17 PM
(04-13-2019, 07:08 PM)NKURyan Wrote: Except even if you look at Carson's whole career, Andy still has a higher touchdown percentage, a lower INT percentage, higher quarterback rating, better record, and more playoff seasons than Carson does, Andy's only 2 4th quarter comebacks behind Carson in far fewer seasons, with both having virtually the same completion percentage and yards per catch. The number of stats that Palmer is "statistically superior" in aren't as many as people think outside of raw cumulative numbers, and those are only because he's played 60 more games than Andy has. You could give him yards per game, I guess, but that's just an indication that Carson's played on more bad teams. I just don't see it.
Take into account how much you had to pay for each guy, too, and that skews it even more IMO.
But yeah, the original conversation was their career as a Bengal.
You don't get to pick and choose what is "virtually" the same and what is better for Andy. If Carson and Andy are "virtually the same" when it comes to completion percentage and yards per completion (62.5% and 11.7 for Carson, 62.3% and 11.5 for Andy), then they are also "virtually the same" in touchdown percentage and interception percentage (4.7% and 3% for Carson, 4.8% and 2.7% for Andy). To put it into easier numbers, Andy throws a touchdown, on average, every 21 attempts while throwing an interception every 37 attempts. Carson threw a touchdown every 21 attempts while throwing an interception every 33 attempts. Just say it how it is.
Andy has slightly better touchdown and interception percentages while Carson has slightly better yards per completion and completion percentage. Carson also has higher yards per game, the best statistical season between both of their careers (2015) and higher yards per attempt. On top of this, if you are just going to say "Palmer was on bad teams, that's why he has a higher YPG" all I'm going to say is "Andy has the amount of playoff appearances that he does because he was on good teams."
It's a dumb argument, see? Both of those points hold some water, but it isn't the real reason for either of them. Andy is a good quarterback AND had good teams (from 2013-2015, the Bengals had arguably the best roster in the league from top to bottom.) Carson WAS on bad teams but he also, when healthy, was a really good quarterback. That 2015 Cardinals team didn't have the talent that Cincinnati had, but he lit the league on fire that year.
