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So, what's wrong with Joe?
(01-14-2020, 04:29 PM)MEBengalsFan Wrote: Big Ben will be in the hall of fame when his career is over and he is similar in size to Hebert. 

You take out Tua and Burrow and you have Hebert. His performance has improved each year and this year he had almost 70% completion and 30+ TDs. That is very good production and any other year he would be the top QB and probably the 1st pick off the board. As for Burrow, his numbers jump out as he broke records.

Now many people are all about Burrow but it takes a team to win football games. You have special teams, defense and the offense. The QB does control the offense but if you don't have a good enough defense you won't win the SB. 

The other thing is finding players that fit within the schemes the Bengals use. Other than Simmons that has had great success with ST because he can coach up players, even players who never played special teams, getting a player of Burrow caliber and having him in scheme that won't allow him to reach his potential is worst than picking a player that fits the scheme and produces. 

The Bengals offense is not the same as what allowed Burrow to have such high production. So, either ZT has to modify the scheme or Burrow will have to adjust. The later is usually where top rated players simply don't pan out moreso than picking a player that does fit the scheme and he may seem like a reach. 

There are some players that flourish no matter the scheme/systems and that is because they are just that good. Others simply excel within certain scheme/systems. I'm concern Burrow is more a product of the scheme and if he came here and falls flat it wouldn't be the first player to see their talent wasted. 

Pac 12 defenses, what do you expect?

Pac 12 has become a lessor conference. They still have good players, but not enough of them to really compete for a title.

 
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So, what's wrong with Joe? - SunsetBengal - 01-14-2020, 02:07 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Luvnit2 - 01-14-2020, 02:23 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - BRM13 - 01-14-2020, 05:45 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - grampahol - 01-14-2020, 02:26 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Whatever - 01-14-2020, 02:31 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - J24 - 01-14-2020, 02:40 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Daddy-O - 01-14-2020, 09:33 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - SHRacerX - 01-14-2020, 10:03 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Synric - 01-14-2020, 02:51 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - GodFather - 01-14-2020, 03:15 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Whodey614 - 01-14-2020, 03:16 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - jason - 01-14-2020, 05:26 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - HuDey - 01-14-2020, 12:16 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Jason_NC - 01-14-2020, 08:25 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Benton - 01-14-2020, 06:38 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - grampahol - 01-14-2020, 01:09 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Nately120 - 01-14-2020, 01:21 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - XenoMorph - 01-14-2020, 02:14 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Nately120 - 01-14-2020, 02:57 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - SHRacerX - 01-14-2020, 10:06 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - CJD - 01-14-2020, 09:18 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - J24 - 01-14-2020, 08:09 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - J24 - 01-14-2020, 08:15 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Jason_NC - 01-14-2020, 11:36 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - SHRacerX - 01-14-2020, 09:34 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - CJD - 01-14-2020, 09:40 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - SHRacerX - 01-14-2020, 11:03 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - kevin - 01-14-2020, 10:06 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - bengals67 - 01-14-2020, 04:54 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - SHRacerX - 01-14-2020, 10:10 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - bengaloo - 01-14-2020, 10:29 AM
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RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Synric - 01-14-2020, 10:49 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Synric - 01-14-2020, 11:13 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Nately120 - 01-14-2020, 11:29 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - XenoMorph - 01-14-2020, 11:37 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Nately120 - 01-14-2020, 11:41 AM
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RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - HuDey - 01-14-2020, 12:27 PM
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RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - bengaloo - 01-14-2020, 05:04 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - BengalChris - 01-15-2020, 09:49 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Joelist - 01-14-2020, 04:37 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - kevin - 01-14-2020, 08:07 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - kevin - 01-14-2020, 08:42 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - CJD - 01-14-2020, 04:54 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - PhilHos - 01-14-2020, 06:28 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - bengaloo - 01-14-2020, 07:50 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - kevin - 01-15-2020, 11:50 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Luvnit2 - 01-14-2020, 07:05 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - bfine32 - 01-14-2020, 04:55 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - bengals67 - 01-14-2020, 05:32 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Synric - 01-14-2020, 07:15 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - ezekiel23 - 01-14-2020, 07:34 PM
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RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Destro - 01-14-2020, 10:27 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - kevin - 01-15-2020, 11:19 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - XenoMorph - 01-15-2020, 10:50 AM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Nately120 - 01-15-2020, 01:24 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Nately120 - 01-15-2020, 02:00 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - PhilHos - 01-15-2020, 05:43 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Nately120 - 01-15-2020, 06:29 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - XenoMorph - 01-15-2020, 06:19 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - bengaloo - 01-15-2020, 06:55 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Nately120 - 01-15-2020, 07:01 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Nately120 - 01-15-2020, 07:02 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - bengaloo - 01-15-2020, 07:09 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - Nately120 - 01-15-2020, 07:26 PM
RE: So, what's wrong with Joe? - bengaloo - 01-15-2020, 07:36 PM
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